[AYounglove10]

Originally Posted by DC2RtoCT9Atof87

Dilution also happens when you make more of the same thing. I’m not not happy about more CS’s.

Also, if all the M cars go hybrid, I think they’ll be outrageously good and won’t sound half bad.

I think the M4 and M3 CS’s are really for different people though. They aren’t making any more M3 CS. I specifically did not shoot for the M3 CS because I wanted a 2 door. And the CSL was both out of my price range and too raw for my tastes to be my daily.

I don’t think the M4 CS will cannibalize M3 CS values at all. Different cars for different needs. There are plenty of people who do not want/can not have a 2 door only vehicle. They’ll be forced to look into the used M3 CS market.

[IB M]

Good news!!!

[JJacksonIII]

I'm waiting for the XM CSL

[unfoundnemo]

Originally Posted by JJacksonIII

I'm waiting for the XM CSL

nah, they're going to go all-out and make an XM GT2 to make sure they could take all the money.

[LemonOne]

Originally Posted by JJacksonIII

I'm waiting for the XM CSL

You know CSL used to stand for 'Coupe Sport Light'
Now BMW calls it 'Competition Sport Light'
XM CSL is possible

[jmg]

Originally Posted by saudisinaudis

Whats the difference between it and the CSL? Is the CSL more exclusive and lightweight?

Probably $15-20k less, standard trunk, AWD option, same enhancements as the M3 CS (more power than the competition, same torque). Not as lightweight as the CSL and probably more accessible production numbers.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by DC2RtoCT9Atof87

Dilution also happens when you make more of the same thing. I’m not not happy about more CS’s.

Also, if all the M cars go hybrid, I think they’ll be outrageously good and won’t sound half bad.

If any M car deserves a CS, it’s the M4. After all, they made an F82 M4 CS. Why not make a G82 M4 CS? The F82 also had an M4 GTS. I bet that will be the M4 swan song close to when this platform is coming to an end.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by r0wr

Here come the fanboys who think the CS is gonna be some amazing version that’s vastly different than the civic. CS gonna depreciate like all the other M cars before it.

My F80 M3 CS held its value pretty well. The confusion happens when sellers incorrectly list Competition models as CS models. The CS still depreciates, but are still priced more than civics or competitions.

[Bumpinjeep]

Originally Posted by jmg

If any M car deserves a CS, it’s the M4. After all, they made an F82 M4 CS.

The M2 deserves it more. 453 hp with some light weight parts and more importantly a 6 speed transmission, that's heaven.

[THEROK]

Originally Posted by vj123

Dilution happens when the M name is being added to non M cars.

Funny how today it’s no longer cringe when you see a non-M car running ///M plates or badges since BMW itself is the worst offender.

M for Marketing. Sad.

[Wanted_M]

Well, well, well, we will meet again

[jmg]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

The M2 deserves it more. 453 hp with some light weight parts and more importantly a 6 speed transmission, that's heaven.

It will happen, I'm sure.

[SFBavarianArea]

Originally Posted by BeamerBoomer

True, but compared to a 911, the model variations are still a few only. And nobody ever complaint about those. And one sells better than the other.

Exactly.

[spool twice]

Sounds like my ticket back into the M4 world, I miss my F82 M4cs, such a great handler and made for a nice daily surprisingly.

[r0wr]

Originally Posted by jmg

My F80 M3 CS held its value pretty well. The confusion happens when sellers incorrectly list Competition models as CS models. The CS still depreciates, but are still priced more than civics or competitions.

There’s no doubt they’re more expensive than civics and comps. But you also paid more, so it’s expected.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by r0wr

There’s no doubt they’re more expensive than civics and comps. But you also paid more, so it’s expected.

I got a pretty sweet deal! But your are right overall, they depreciated just like every other M car. They aren’t going to be $1,000,000 classic Ferraris or anything.

[BmwFanBoy94]

Will be interesting to see how these special editions hold considering they’ll be last special full ICE’s.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by AYounglove10

I think the M4 and M3 CS’s are really for different people though. They aren’t making any more M3 CS. I specifically did not shoot for the M3 CS because I wanted a 2 door. And the CSL was both out of my price range and too raw for my tastes to be my daily.

I don’t think the M4 CS will cannibalize M3 CS values at all. Different cars for different needs. There are plenty of people who do not want/can not have a 2 door only vehicle. They’ll be forced to look into the used M3 CS market.

They're the exact same car with two fewer doors but still seats in the back. The weight difference between them is what 15 pounds?The cars perform the same, drive the same, but look somewhat different.

[Chicane_]

Originally Posted by FTS

This might hit the CSL prices negatively

I think it’ll do the opposite to CSL prices.

[AYounglove10]

Originally Posted by akkando

They're the exact same car with two fewer doors but still seats in the back. The weight difference between them is what 15 pounds?The cars perform the same, drive the same, but look somewhat different.

Operative phrase “two fewer doors”. That means quite a lot to most people…

[breezyrc15]

The M4 CS will enter at a $120k price point. At that point, it’ll be a hard sell for the buyers considering a 2 door coupe as they would most likely go for a new 992 Carrera or a 991.2 GTS or a 991 Turbo.

[r0wr]

Originally Posted by jmg

I got a pretty sweet deal! But your are right overall, they depreciated just like every other M car. They aren’t going to be $1,000,000 classic Ferraris or anything.

I believe you! There was a time when you could lease a CS for $700-$800 per month. Now a civic g80/82 goes for $1700.