[OTJeebus]

I tracked my 991.2 gt3 occasionally, just took delivery of my 992 gt3 and I will do a few track days with it as well.

[imperfectluck]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Nice
Amazing video but how many people and how often take a +150k car to track?
No matter which car wins the battle I believe both cars are amazing and its ablessing to own …

Not sure if you were being serious about how many people do that because when you look at the purpose of the CSL here, what is it’s purpose? Not even going to mention the GT lineup because we know what they’re built to do and their price tag associated with the experience.

I could get your perspective if you took an M8 GC at its price tag and asked that same question though.

[OTJeebus]

Originally Posted by imperfectluck

Not sure if you were being serious about how many people do that because when you look at the purpose of the CSL here, what is it’s purpose? Not even going to mention the GT lineup because we know what they’re built to do and their price tag associated with the experience.

I could get your perspective if you took an M8 GC at its price tag and asked that same question though.

I have never taken my m8gc to the track though it might be fun for a lap or two.

[M3PGH]

two different animals
I have driven both on few occasions on the same back roads
I like to focus on the positive of each car rather than the negative and how it compares to another car

[G30M]

Originally Posted by Davil

(I’d still take the CSL. Any day.)

wow. not me!

[kgelfen360]

I’ve never driven GT3 but to me 911 in general is a different car and class and fact that they even comparing to G8x platform (I know it’s csl) is a huge victory for BMW.
I think 911 is next level but I like that we can even be in conversation….

[OTJeebus]

Originally Posted by g21

wow. not me!

I would not trade my gt3 for a m4csl

[PLF69]

I've driven both on the street and the CSL is more comfortable and fun.

The GT3 needs space + nice roads to stretch it's legs and provide a feeling of excitement, at slow speeds it's punishing on bad roads and feels like a caged animal.

The CSL is fun right from 0 to top speed but doesn't feel as capable or confidence inspiring. The ZF8 doesn't match the PDK that's a given of course.

The subject is pretty beaten to death, all in all I think the CSL is a great value at MSRP for shear excitement in a versatile package that you will be able to drive a few hours to and from the track without going insane. Is it the best of the best technically, no but it's got an honest soul.

If you can afford it and have the chance to get a GT3 at MSRP just get one, you owe it to yourself to experience it at least one time in your life. Maybe you'll keep one forever or maybe you will only have one for a year, it doesn't matter, it's just worth it.

[picaso]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

So what would make it deserving???


GT3's can be found much easier than a CSL. The problem is cost and usability; both of which make the proposition of a GT3 prohibitive to most people. While I agree that the CSL isn't going to be daily driven by the large majority of people who own the car, neither is the GT3. Most are garage queen brag-mobiles or Cars & Coffee trophies.

No way gt3 can be found easier. Right now I have a csl offer with 10k off in the bay area, there are quite a few csl on auto trader at msrp. Gt3 are 50-100k above msrp used.

[picaso]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Nice
Amazing video but how many people and how often take a +150k car to track?
No matter which car wins the battle I believe both cars are amazing and its ablessing to own …

I see a lot of gt3 owners on the track. I track mine a lot. Not sure what the point is if you do not track it. These are not comfy cars.

[BMWbab1]

Originally Posted by swagon

At almost every track day I take my M3 to, there are nowadays more 991/992 GT cars than M3s... so yeah, many people take expensive cars out on circuits.

There was an article 10 or so years ago that took a survey of GT3 owner….over 80% had taken them to the track at some point. I think that might be a little high but I can say there are tons of $100k+ cars at the track these days. I’d say at least 25% are over $100k if not higher. There is a LOT of money out there!

[Asymmetrick]

Originally Posted by ScullyD

I don’t think this was a bad review for the CSL. I do think people should stop trying to do road tests with this car in the wet, with the wrong seats. But it’s not winning a track battle with a GT3.

That said, on sticky rubber in the dry on a racetrack, it will feel more nuanced than sledgehammer is my guess.

You are absolutely right!

Cars of CSL and GT3's caliber deserve to be tested under optimal conditions (including dry tarmac) by qualified individuals to truly evaluate what they are capable of.

It is a complete disservice to our community to put out "reviews" conducted under completely suboptimal conditions and pretend they have any real value to sports car enthusiasts.

Auto trader UK: You need to step up your game. We really deserve better from you.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by picaso

No way gt3 can be found easier. Right now I have a csl offer with 10k off in the bay area, there are quite a few csl on auto trader at msrp. Gt3 are 50-100k above msrp used.

YES, a GT3 can be found easier than a CSL around here in So.Cal. You’ll pay, but it’s easier to procure a GT3 than a CSL simply because….

…..*light bulb*….there are more of them out there.

I could get my hands on a GT3 tomorrow if I wanted to pay the mark-up.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

YES, a GT3 can be found easier than a CSL around here in So.Cal. You’ll pay, but it’s easier to procure a GT3 than a CSL simply because….

…..*light bulb*….there are more of them out there.

I could get my hands on a GT3 tomorrow if I wanted to pay the mark-up.

There is a CSL I drive by every day that has been in the showroom sitting for almost 2 months now. No markup needed. No one wants to buy it.

[isenc2]

Two things, the chief engineer/designer(I forgot which one) said on an interview with a car YouTuber that this CSL is very much designed on being on the road, not track duty at all. Secondly, last gen F80 m4 GTS never even came close to the performance of a 991.2 GTS on the Nurburgring, why would ppl expect a non track focused G80 CSL to beat a 911 on the track let alone a double-wishbone 992 GT3. I don’t get it. 911 is a dedicated platform designed from the frame to be a Porsche sports car. G8X have to start with a shared BMW 3/4 chassis. Our BMWs handle pretty well, are very luxurious, and practical. Simply different target audiences.

[G30M]

Originally Posted by isenc2

Two things, the chief engineer/designer(I forgot which one) said on an interview with a car YouTuber that this CSL is very much designed on being on the road, not track duty at all. Secondly, last gen F80 m4 GTS never even came close to the performance of a 991.2 GTS on the Nurburgring, why would ppl expect a non track focused G80 CSL to beat a 911 on the track let alone a double-wishbone 992 GT3. I don’t get it. 911 is a dedicated platform designed from the frame to be a Porsche sports car. G8X have to start with a shared BMW 3/4 chassis. Our BMWs handle pretty well, are very luxurious, and practical. Simply different target audiences.

the trouble is, the CSL is neither amazing for the road nor the track

not that i have ever been in one, but the hard core reviewers (those that track their cars and drive them on the road properly) say that the CSL is too wild, can't get power down, too loose.

if you want a fast car on the road, G80/82/F99

if you want a fast car on the track ... let's not go there!

[Jimjamz]

Originally Posted by swagon

At almost every track day I take my M3 to, there are nowadays more 991/992 GT cars than M3s... so yeah, many people take expensive cars out on circuits.

Every GT car owner I know tracks their cars regularly.

[02M3ForMe]

Originally Posted by picaso

No way gt3 can be found easier. Right now I have a csl offer with 10k off in the bay area, there are quite a few csl on auto trader at msrp. Gt3 are 50-100k above msrp used.

Where is the CSL for $10k off? I’m a buyer today.

[AHall]

Originally Posted by g21

wow. not me!

What is the better car for a daily driver with no intention of going to the track? I am in Texas with no twisty winding roads just big open freeways.

[picaso]

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

Where is the CSL for $10k off? I’m a buyer today.

BMW of San Francisco, they still have it.

[02M3ForMe]

Originally Posted by picaso

BMW of San Francisco, they still have it.

I just called and they’re quoting MSRP after a brief negotiation. Who offered you the $10k under?

[supershaft]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Nice
Amazing video but how many people and how often take a +150k car to track?
No matter which car wins the battle I believe both cars are amazing and its ablessing to own …

lots of folks do HPDE events in these cars. My last event had a bunch of BMWs (M3 and M8), a huracan STO, Subarus, and a slew of Porsches.

they are meant for the track