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      03-29-2022, 10:51 AM   #23
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Passport BMW is not Passport Toyota. Ask anyone from the DC metro area (where I am originally from before relocating to South Florida) and they will tell you that Passport BMW is one of the top BMW stores in the entire region. They are a store that, based on my prior experience, actually deserves to be on the list.
My BMW dealership (on the list) is part of a giant Penske foreign car dealership grouping. From what I have been able to see, the different general managers have a lot of independence so the dealership experience does vary from store to store.
With Penske, you are correct that individual dealer managers have a large amount of autonomy. The opposite is true for Autonation stores. I have a friend that works at a Penske store and his boss does whatever he wants. I have a friend who is a manager at a Asbury Group BMW store (they are a fairly large nationwide auto group) and he has a good bit of autonomy as well.
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I know Passport is involved with the capital area CCA chapter, so that may factor into these ratings. (I live in Howard County, so I haven't had the opportunity to go to Passport in person.)

I've been servicing my cars at Catonsville for years and haven't had any issues there. But with my G80 order, I can't say I was too impressed with either Silver Spring or Catonsville. The former was very non-committal about pricing, and the latter was happy to accept an MSRP order, but subsequently told me they would require a $5k surcharge for my Dravit Grey option (which is only semi-Individual and does not normally induce long delays), on account that it would postpone delivery and therefore reduce their throughput of M cars and therefore threaten to reduce their future allocations. I thought that was BS and found other dealers to place my order with instead.
Interesing! Yeah I live in Howard County as well which is why I go to those same dealers. That is BS! I've never actually bought from either of those dealers though. My last car was private sale used and my current, I actually had shipped all the way from BMW of Murrieta (on the list lol),because they had the exact spec I wanted.
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      03-29-2022, 10:56 AM   #25
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Some of these dealerships must be paying BMW NA off with the crazy mark ups they're charging
Tulley BMW does not charge over MSRP.
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      03-29-2022, 11:00 AM   #27
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How did Braman Miami and Vista Coconut Creek make the list??? Those of us who live in South Florida know why I say this. Those two are known to be among the worst BMM stores in Florida. On top of that, Vista Coconut Creek has a showroom that looks very dated.
Braman Jupiter is great all-around and very fair with pricing.
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Good to see Bill Jacobs is on here. The best car dealer I've ever dealt with, both from a buying and service prospective.
If they ever tick you off, give Patrick BMW a shot.
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If they ever tick you off, give Patrick BMW a shot.
I've spoken to Patrick in the past, and they were also very helpful. Just didn't have the car with the options/colors we wanted in stock. I've also bought a car from Laurel in Westmont and they were good too.
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I've spoken to Patrick in the past, and they were also very helpful. Just didn't have the car with the options/colors we wanted in stock. I've also bought a car from Laurel in Westmont and they were good too.
Understandable. Appreciate the opportunity. Next time you're in the market again you can DM me directly!
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Understandable. Appreciate the opportunity. Next time you're in the market again you can DM me directly!
Will do! My wife's lease on her X1 is up this year, so we'll be back in the market. I assume you're in sales there?
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This is 100% something to do w the most profitable or highest revenue generating stores... Braman is the worst dealer that I have ever stepped foot in.

Bmw of Fort Lauderdale is the best dealer in South Florida and family owned...
I totally agree about BMW of Ft. Lauderdale, they have a fabulous sales and service team!!! You truly feel like a valued customer when you deal with them.

The fact that Braman is on the list insults the intelligence of anyone who has ever dealt with them!
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Happy to see my dealer on this list!
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Will do! My wife's lease on her X1 is up this year, so we'll be back in the market. I assume you're in sales there?
DM'd.
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How did Braman Miami and Vista Coconut Creek make the list??? Those of us who live in South Florida know why I say this. Those two are known to be among the worst BMM stores in Florida. On top of that, Vista Coconut Creek has a showroom that looks very dated.
I don't live in South Florida, but know too much when Braman sued BMW NA in federal court back in 2017 for violating the Florida Dealer Act, as the case is still ongoing. Unreal how BMW will use this center ranking as a defense now.

https://www.businesswire.com/news/ho...ida-Dealer-Act
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How did Braman Miami and Vista Coconut Creek make the list??? Those of us who live in South Florida know why I say this. Those two are known to be among the worst BMM stores in Florida. On top of that, Vista Coconut Creek has a showroom that looks very dated.
Wondering the same thing. Had a less than pleasurable experience with Bill Jacobs. But they rectified it after I escalated and apologized. But totally agree re: the SoFla dealers. Braman Miami was quoting me $10K over on our X5MC when I was easily getting 8% off from other dealers. But people in SoFla have more dollars than sense sometimes. Vista is pretty crappy too from what I've heard. I stay away from Florida stealerships whenever possible.
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This is 100% something to do w the most profitable or highest revenue generating stores... Braman is the worst dealer that I have ever stepped foot in.

Bmw of Fort Lauderdale is the best dealer in South Florida and family owned...
I totally agree about BMW of Ft. Lauderdale, they have a fabulous sales and service team!!! You truly feel like a valued customer when you deal with them.

The fact that Braman is on the list insults the intelligence of anyone who has ever dealt with them!
BMW NA rigged it by including Braman with the ongoing federal lawsuit I posted above.

I sure that Braman will see these posts. Bring it on
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BMW of Grapevine is listed! I knew it would be; it's part of the Sewell family of dealers. Honestly, it was the best car buying experience I've ever had. I'm glad they're being recognized!
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First time ever Illinois dealer making list?

Maybe they were actually charging msrp
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How did Braman Miami and Vista Coconut Creek make the list??? Those of us who live in South Florida know why I say this. Those two are known to be among the worst BMM stores in Florida. On top of that, Vista Coconut Creek has a showroom that looks very dated.
Braman Jupiter is great all-around and very fair with pricing.
Braman Jupiter isn't Braman Miami. Not even close. Braman Miami is the worst offender when it comes to sales practices.
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How did Braman Miami and Vista Coconut Creek make the list??? Those of us who live in South Florida know why I say this. Those two are known to be among the worst BMM stores in Florida. On top of that, Vista Coconut Creek has a showroom that looks very dated.
I don't live in South Florida, but know too much when Braman sued BMW NA in federal court back in 2017 for violating the Florida Dealer Act, as the case is still ongoing. Unreal how BMW will use this center ranking as a defense now.

https://www.businesswire.com/news/ho...ida-Dealer-Act
I remember that lawsuit and it also included the West Palm location. Remember how, after the lawsuit was filed, Braman Miami and West Palm all of the sudden started appearing on the best dealer list when they rarely made the list prior to the lawsuit? My belief in the validity of the ranking system went out of the window when that happened.
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How did Braman Miami and Vista Coconut Creek make the list??? Those of us who live in South Florida know why I say this. Those two are known to be among the worst BMM stores in Florida. On top of that, Vista Coconut Creek has a showroom that looks very dated.
Wondering the same thing. Had a less than pleasurable experience with Bill Jacobs. But they rectified it after I escalated and apologized. But totally agree re: the SoFla dealers. Braman Miami was quoting me $10K over on our X5MC when I was easily getting 8% off from other dealers. But people in SoFla have more dollars than sense sometimes. Vista is pretty crappy too from what I've heard. I stay away from Florida stealerships whenever possible.
True story. Back in 2016, I wanted an X6 and Braman Miami had the car in stock almost as I would have ordered it. I didn't want to wait for it to be built so I just went to a friend who worked at Braman West Palm and told them I wanted the car and my offer was aggressive, but not below invoice. They flat out refused to come close. I then went to my friend who manages Coggin BMW and he said "No problem, I'll buy the car for you, give you the deal you want and have it in two days." He beat his promise by a day and I picked it up the following evening. Called my friend at Braman West Palm and told him the X6 was in my garage and sold to me by his competitor. I'm still friends with him, but I'll never buy from Braman again. They lost a sale of their own car by being unreasonable. Wasn't my friends fault, it was his manager's fault. Oh well, I don't care as I still got my car.
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