[Ibiza]

Originally Posted by psuibmw

The good news is that BMW is watching us and I guarantee you the LCI will be different (better and fixed)

Sorry to give break the bad news, this is BMW's design for the G8x. Agree that BMW AG is monitor the forms, but retail customer sales haven't even started. The LCI is under development already without sales numbers to justify a radical change.

[antzcrashing]

Originally Posted by psuibmw

The good news is that BMW is watching us and I guarantee you the LCI will be different (better and fixed)

Have you heard the comments from the CEO on the grill? They seem to not want to change it

[bmwdrive]

I would not wait for the LCI hoping for a massive front end change. Look at the iX, i4 and 4-series. For better or worse, BMW is doubling down on this new grill look. They are not going to change only the M3/M4 because people here complain.

[PhJ]

The grille of the new G8x is different from a standard 3 serie model and that makes it special. I saw it in person and I like it. I can however understand that people will have to get used to it.

[snareman]

Originally Posted by psuibmw

The good news is that BMW is watching us and I guarantee you the LCI will be different (better and fixed)

That's funny if you actually think that's true. Perhaps you're being playfully jocular. According to BMW they are only aiming for a 20% acceptance rate. No need to change as long as they can get 20% of us to like it. That's why I like BMW - They aim high with their expectations.

[psuibmw]

Originally Posted by snareman

That's funny if you actually think that's true. Perhaps you're being playfully jocular. According to BMW they are only aiming for a 20% acceptance rate. No need to change as long as they can get 20% of us to like it. That's why I like BMW - They aim high with their expectations.

No need to make my opinion despicable, so I respectfully disagree and think BMW will change this car for the LCI ... They have done it before when the design was bad and corrected it later ... The M3/M4 are such an important pilar offering for BMW and they cannot afford to lose their loyal base just for 20% 😬

[Dr.Deep]

Originally Posted by psuibmw

No need to make my opinion despicable, so I respectfully disagree and think BMW will change this car for the LCI ... They have done it before when the design was bad and corrected it later ... The M3/M4 are such an important pilar offering for BMW and they cannot afford to lose their loyal base just for 20% 😬

I don't think they will move from these kindneys so quickly, I think this is just the start to get the people used for the EV cars. All new developed EVs are having these kind of kidneys, see i4, iX and every EV concept so far is going into this direction.

And about these 20%. What he means, is 20% like it from the beginning on, and others start to like it after they get used to the new look, so they see these 20% as positive sign, not as a negative one.
However, it is still funny that most people think, that the money comes from the very few enthusiast. In general, cars don't just get designed and developed like - Hmm...what do we want to do here? Lets try this way....

There are market researches, studies, things get showed to special groups and so on and on. There is something behind, if they decide to go this way, especially as you say, on such important cars like M3/M4 .

But we will see how it turnes out in a year or so....I'm just wondering that most of the dealers have a huge list of orders already, if you follow these forums, you may think that they would even have to pay you some money to order one...

[antzcrashing]

Originally Posted by Dr.Deep

I don't think they will move from these kindneys so quickly, I think this is just the start to get the people used for the EV cars. All new developed EVs are having these kind of kidneys, see i4, iX and every EV concept so far is going into this direction.

And about these 20%. What he means, is 20% like it from the beginning on, and others start to like it after they get used to the new look, so they see these 20% as positive sign, not as a negative one.
However, it is still funny that most people think, that the money comes from the very few enthusiast. In general, cars don't just get designed and developed like - Hmm...what do we want to do here? Lets try this way....

There are market researches, studies, things get showed to special groups and so on and on. There is something behind, if they decide to go this way, especially as you say, on such important cars like M3/M4 .

But we will see how it turnes out in a year or so....I'm just wondering that most of the dealers have a huge list of orders already, if you follow these forums, you may think that they would even have to pay you some money to order one...

The kidneys are not the only part of the front end that could be helped by an LCI update. To me I wish the kidneys were smaller and a different shape, but the more important aspect is the front bumper, something about it is not cohesive and thus not visually appealing. I could see bmw changing the front bumper, as they do with some LCIs, and improving the overall look of the front end. It would not need to be drastic, but it could improve things.

[bmwdrive]

The G80 LCI is in 2022. My bet is that they will make zero changes to the front end because they want to keep it the same as the G82, not only for visual consistency but also because they probably want to share tooling, parts, etc. for manufacturing. The tail lights will likely change to whatever they do for the G20, for the same reason. At least that is what I would do for the initial LCI.

[M2Cmtl]

haven't all recent LCIs been very weak sauce? Aside from the M2C that got a new engine, the changes have been pretty minimal.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by danf72

The G80 LCI is in 2022. My bet is that they will make zero changes to the front end because they want to keep it the same as the G82, not only for visual consistency but also because they probably want to share tooling, parts, etc. for manufacturing.

Yes. As has been mentioned prior, the 4er/M4 LCI is not until March 2024, so it will be awhile for any possibility of a front end change.

The 3er/M3 LCI will have no impact on the front of the M3 (nor, obviously, the front of and any other exterior element of the 4er/M4).

The tail lights will likely change to whatever they do for the G20, for the same reason. At least that is what I would do for the initial LCI.

You can take that to the bank. It is 100% assured that the rear of the M3 will receive changes to any parts it shares with the 3 Series that are changed.

Of course there are will be some revisions to the electronics and interior with this LCI as well. When applicable, those will also affect the M3, and where parts are shared across the entire G2x/G8x lineup, the M4 too.

[hdubf80]

I would paint match the center section of the grill to the body and see if it would create the kidney grill shape of the past. I wonder if anyone has rendered that image. I'd be curious to see what it would look like and if a company like IND would offer those in the future. Could be a cheap bandage to the 🐽 imo

[Tacoma]

Originally Posted by SteveinArizona

Sad commentary that the compliments tend to be "Not as bad in person as in pictures" or "black looks better as it blends in" or "I'm getting used to it".

We used to love our cars...now BMW wants us to "get used to them".

A car is a major purchase and the buying decision involves many factors such as power, handling, reliability, price, sound, looks, etc. Each factor is weighted relative to each other and the total "score" is compared with the competition and then a buying decision is finally made.

So, if you don't like the G80's looks but love the way it drives and handles compared to the competition then maybe you do get it in black and hope you get used to it because the other factors outweigh the looks.

The competition like the W206 C63 is rumored to be a V4 hybrid which is a big negative to some. So then it's the "need to get used to it" looks vs. a tiny (but just as fast) V4 hybrid, which is more important to you? If the V4 is a deal breaker, then it's back to I hope I get used to the looks.

[snareman]

Originally Posted by Tacoma

A car is a major purchase and the buying decision involves many factors such as power, handling, reliability, price, sound, looks, etc. Each factor is weighted relative to each other and the total "score" is compared with the competition and then a buying decision is finally made.

So, if you don't like the G80's looks but love the way it drives and handles compared to the competition then maybe you do get it in black and hope you get used to it because the other factors outweigh the looks.

The competition like the W206 C63 is rumored to be a V4 hybrid which is a big negative to some. So then it's the "need to get used to it" looks vs. a tiny (but just as fast) V4 hybrid, which is more important to you? If the V4 is a deal breaker, then it's back to I hope I get used to the looks.

Yea, sadly for me at least, there are no other viable alternatives in the class for similar money since I'm looking for a coupe. You think the BMW grilles are bad, I'd never step foot in a Lexus dealer with those cow catchers they put on their cars. I looked at the Audi A5/S5, but the styling seemed a little boring to me. I was all set to get the newly redesigned C63 AMG coupes until Mercedes decided not to bring them to the US (do they even exist in Europe?) and Porsche gets way too expensive too fast

[bmwdrive]

Originally Posted by M2Cmtl

haven't all recent LCIs been very weak sauce? Aside from the M2C that got a new engine, the changes have been pretty minimal.

I'm thinking that I will wait for the LCI regardless. Once that is available, I will probably get the G80 or G20, depending on how I feel about the grill situation. I hope the wait is worth it.

[amancuso]

I can get behind the tech, new side profile and rear, but the front is just visually unappealing, garish and too harsh. Hoping an LCI update tames it.

[mmckenzie]

I'm not sure why this is, but I think the grills look really ugly/out of place on the 4 series (and I've seen the car up close in person too) and I don't think they will EVER grow on me, but they actually look pretty good on the M3/M4 (which I haven't seen in person yet). I will reserve my final judgement until I see one in person but I think the grills definitely look much better on them, especially on the M3.

[SteveinArizona]

Originally Posted by snareman

Yea, sadly for me at least, there are no other viable alternatives in the class for similar money since I'm looking for a coupe. You think the BMW grilles are bad, I'd never step foot in a Lexus dealer with those cow catchers they put on their cars. I looked at the Audi A5/S5, but the styling seemed a little boring to me. I was all set to get the newly redesigned C63 AMG coupes until Mercedes decided not to bring them to the US (do they even exist in Europe?) and Porsche gets way too expensive too fast

What about the Alfa Quadragoglia?

[Scorp!on]

Originally Posted by SteveinArizona

What about the Alfa Quadragoglia?

Since when is the Alfa a Coupe ?

[snareman]

Originally Posted by SteveinArizona

What about the Alfa Quadragoglia?

That's a sedan, but now if they ever release the GTV that might be a great viable alternative.

[Manualboi]

The bumper on the base model 4 series looks good, the one on the 440i and the M models is the one that is eye cancer.

[snareman]

Originally Posted by Manualboi

The bumper on the base model 4 series looks good, the one on the 440i and the M models is the one that is eye cancer.

The base 430 and the M4 are the best of the bunch. That little smiley face mouth on the M Sport not so much.