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      03-04-2020, 09:55 AM   #265
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It looks sharp and well packaged to me. A lot of potential IMO. And I like it a little more watching all you whine about it.

You cry babies have been bitching about every new M model, if not every new BMW design in general, since the e60. It happens every. fucking. time. You guys do realize this right? In a couple years half of you will own one and totally forget how much you hated it at first. People don't like change, we get it. The f80/82 is what we picture when we think new m3/4, and they've grown on us and in our minds over the years and look so great, it's hard to imagine such a radical change to it. But it's progress forward. The designers don't just pull this out of their ass and run with it. They make prototypes, full clay models, dozens of variants and stare at them for hours from every angle to ensure they feel right. I guarantee a few months after the official release, once the shock factor wears off and the design starts to sink and grow on you, almost all of you will come around. Just like last time. And the time before that.


If enthusiasts had it our way we would rarely change shit and every new BMW would still look like an e30. And while that would actually be pretty sick (see?), BMW would've went bankrupt by 1996 with that strategy and we wouldn't have anything. So deal with it, open your mind, and put a little faith in the designers at BMW because IMO as stupid or crazy as anything's ever been at first, it's always worked out especially for the M3/4/5. Hell I even the bangled ass e60 M5 ended up not being so bad in the end :rofl

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      03-04-2020, 10:09 AM   #266
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I think the look will definitely grow on people, like most new BMW's. Also, depending on colour it could actually look really good.
Now add production sized headlights, mirrors, wheels, an ugly hood line and an American front plate... We all know concept BMW's look better than production spec, so an ugly concept makes an uglier production car.
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      03-04-2020, 10:18 AM   #267
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If I can accept it you can, this is what BMWs looked like when I was a child...

THIS IS A FACT... SOME PEOPLE ARE JUST NOT GOOD WITH CHANGE.
I hated the e92 m3 when it came out, since I owned an e36 M3. it was too much change, but now I own one... go figure...
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      03-04-2020, 10:47 AM   #269
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I don't know what your definition of many is, but you must be getting your estimates from another forum.




The problem is, 90%< of owners just get these cars as daily drivers and don't track them. So their primary focus is appearance. Which this car is severely lacking.
It may be a small percentage of people that like it (i would estimate 20%), but its a large aggregate number. There is a better chance than not that it will sell to BMW's expectations.

Also, statistically I am discounting for the phenomenon I would describe as "forum hatred," in which everyone complains about nearly everything. This phenomena often doesn't translate to real-life experiences, the opinion of the general public (i.e., non enthusiast) or actual sales dollars.

I disagree and love the way the car looks (so far). However, I will not pass judgement until I can see the car in it's entirety.
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Here >90%. Since that's what you're focused on in this entire thread.

There are no definitive statistics for something this specific. But it doesn't take a genius to extrapolate:

1- it's a 4 door sedan with almost as many convenience features as an S class.

2- it's meant for the road first, track second.

3- even those that do track it, most go once or twice a year average. Still not justifying a hideous car.

4- its competitors are the RS4/5, C63, Quadrifoglio.

5- other competitors managed to design beautiful cars while focusing on performance, including BMW (M8).

6- owners that track their cars are commonly enthusiasts, which are most likely forum members. So you can most likely gauge the percentage of owners that track the car just from this forum.

7- if you like the design, that's great. But most on here do not and you need to respect that. If you don't want negative feedback then don't post shit on a PUBLIC forum.
Most of your points are fair. Appearances are subjective (whereas performance is not) , and each of us are enthusiasts with very strong opinions. People have the right to make decisions about the appearance of a car without ever seeing it in its entirety. And other people (myself) have the right to judge them for making decisions based on grainy, and leaked images of a portion of the car.

WHERE I TAKE ISSUE is with the histrionics of certain members who say "100% the designers of BMW are not proud of this," or other such ridiculous statements.
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Can someone please photoshop a Weber Grill onto the front of this thing please.

Oh wait nevermind....
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Hmmm ?

I don't want to like it, but I'm sure the final product will be okay...
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THIS IS A FACT... SOME PEOPLE ARE JUST NOT GOOD WITH CHANGE.
I hated the e92 m3 when it came out, since I owned an e36 M3. it was too much change, but now I own one... go figure...
Or.

As with the Edsel, the Aztek, the Pacer ... The G8x joins the VW Phaeton and Bangle Butt as one of Europe's worst auto fails. With the depreciation to match.

Anybody that takes a loan or pays cash is out of their mind.
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      03-04-2020, 11:54 AM   #274
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Ironically enough it looks fake but it's real...
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      03-04-2020, 12:12 PM   #275
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It may be the worlds worst photo but I think it's real.

Played around in photoshop and it's all there. Grilles are there, weird bonnet recesses are there, hole for the toeing eye is even there.

I'd put money on it...

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You know what, I actually like it. I know I flip flop, but this one is decent, and I think in person it will look good.
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I am clinging to the slim hope that both of the leaked photos have been taken from oblique angles with cameras that have seriously distorting fish-eye or wide lenses. No matter how much you photoshop them you're not going to correct for the distortions.

I know... it's a slim hope. But just think how many truly awful selfies you've seen taken on phone cameras and cross your fingers until you see a shot from a professional photographer.

TBH, I actually sort of liked the 4 concept, and expected the M4 to improve on that, but I was totally underwhelmed the production line photos - front and rear - and I *really* don't like the look of those hood scoops. Plus, for me this car will need to be super-good looking to compensate for the probably awful ZF8 transmission.
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So glad I managed to find a new one of these and snag it a week ago. That thing is hideous!!
Congrats! Nice car. It's premature to call the g80 hideous though, since you haven't seen a finished production example yet.
That's like saying you don't know that Rosie O'Donnell doesn't look good in a bikini because you haven't seen her in one yet.
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Most of your points are fair. Appearances are subjective (whereas performance is not) , and each of us are enthusiasts with very strong opinions. People have the right to make decisions about the appearance of a car without ever seeing it in its entirety. And other people (myself) have the right to judge them for making decisions based on grainy, and leaked images of a portion of the car.

WHERE I TAKE ISSUE is with the histrionics of certain members who say "100% the designers of BMW are not proud of this," or other such ridiculous statements.
....perhaps not 100%, we will concede that point, theres always 1!

And being that internally the grilles are called the “gates of hell” by the product teams (as SCOTT points out gleefully) ,

im not sure how much design love there really is. But, all that matters is what the Exec board thinks and they believe it will be successful.

Ugly, but perhaps still successful
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This way you're not using definitive figures without reference, and you don't have to worry about using the inequality sign incorrectly.

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all that matters is what the Exec board thinks and they believe it will be successful.
and if that belief is because of China, those execs better start hoping for quick control of covid-19, because China has already lost at least a quarter of sales ...
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I hope the chief designer gets let go and we get a better design team
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THIS IS A FACT... SOME PEOPLE ARE JUST NOT GOOD WITH CHANGE.
I hated the e92 m3 when it came out, since I owned an e36 M3. it was too much change, but now I own one... go figure...
Or.

As with the Edsel, the Aztek, the Pacer ... The G8x joins the VW Phaeton and Bangle Butt as one of Europe's worst auto fails. With the depreciation to match.

Anybody that takes a loan or pays cash is out of their mind.
 VW Phaeton was a Bentley at a fraction of the cost.
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If the car regained some of the magic that was lost when entering the EPS and FI era and has the reliability of the G8X it would have to be really ugly to pass up on.

My F80 could be the most durable and reliable car I’ve owned and that include low tech Japanese SUVs. It’s six years old now and it feels mechanically as new and nothing has broken, not a thing. Usually a Xenon give up around this time at least but nothing. It never need an additional turn of the starter motor whether it’s been raining for a month or it’s hovering up or down around freezing. And this car was one of the first built. As for maintenance of wear items other than oil stuff, I put on new tires and changed rear brake pads. That’s it and it’s my daily all year around.

When someone says hard pass due to a new grill design I’m shaking my head
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Let's wait and see what we think of it. My hunch is that it will grow on you....hopefully!
Yes, it will grow on us like a moldy fungus. Thanks but I'd rather have it not grow on me and just appreciate the plentiful good designs that are already out there that needed no fungal overgrowth.
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I think it looks dope.
The leaked new 4 looks good, and this adds the aero to it.

People will start warming up to it.
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