[Bosozoku]

GenX: "What's a transmission?"

GenY: "What's a sedan?"

GenZ: "What's a steering wheel?"

[Avaley]

Originally Posted by Bosozoku

GenX: "What's a transmission?"

GenY: "What's a sedan?"

GenZ: "What's a steering wheel?"

to be honest, i don't think personal vehicle ownership will be a big thing once self driving is implemented successfully with ride share...

future: "Why would you ever buy a car"

[Danlnyc88]

Surprised nobody has partnered up with Supreme. I'd imagine slapping a Supreme label on a base Honda Civic would sell for 100k+ easy.

[Jcali86]

Originally Posted by Avaley

to be honest, i don't think personal vehicle ownership will be a big thing once self driving is implemented successfully with ride share...

future: "Why would you ever buy a car"

My sister is 20 and doesn't see the point in learning to drive as "cars will be self driving soon anyway".

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Jcali86

My sister is 20 and doesn't see the point in learning to drive as "cars will be self driving soon anyway".

Yeah....soon as In maybe 50 years.

[Jcali86]

The technology is already there, the cars are everywhere around San Francisco covered in cameras, it's the laws that will take forever though so I'd agree it's a long way off.

[Jimjamz]

Originally Posted by AR_Motorwerkz

Definitely important for them to stay relevant, it seems the youth of today are less interested in cars than before.

Why would they be? Urban youth can Uber anywhere they want, rent a car for 2 hours or pick up a bike or scooter and drop it off on the side of the street. Cars are going the way of horses - once a mandatory form of transport and soon to be a luxury for fanatics and hobbyists.

[Darth One]

One-upped in less than a week!

https://www.gq.com/story/yohji-yamamoto-lamborghini

[gallian93]

Originally Posted by Sharasuke

Gonna post it gain, this time with a youtube link.

Shame to use that beautiful red M3 in this.
This is what's almost in full screen when you visit the kith website

I saw the video.... I personally feel like there is a missed opportunity here.... I think I saw at least four or five spots on the G80 that they could have added more "KITH" sticker... They are already in double digits of slapping the the logo on, so go for triple digits, go for gold!

SIGH!!!! SMH

[frankiebones]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Yeah....soon as In maybe 50 years.

the smart money (billion dollar VC's out of Brazil partnering with Chrysler on topographical maps and quantum computing) says 12-15 years. I have a 2 year old who will likely never learn to drive IMO.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Jcali86

The technology is already there, the cars are everywhere around San Francisco covered in cameras, it's the laws that will take forever though so I'd agree it's a long way off.

The technology may be almost there, but human psychology is nowhere near ready for that.

[Avaley]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Yeah....soon as In maybe 50 years.

I think this happens within 10-15 years, as Jcali said, the technology is there, but NHTSA and the government entities aren't.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Avaley

I think this happens within 10-15 years, as Jcali said, the technology is there, but NHTSA and the government entities aren't.

I'll take that bet that it won't happen nearly that soon.

[Avaley]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I'll take that bet that it won't happen nearly that soon.

Best bet for that would be to short $TSLA. Hasn't worked out great tbh.

[Sharasuke]

Originally Posted by Avaley

I think this happens within 10-15 years, as Jcali said, the technology is there, but NHTSA and the government entities aren't.

Technology is like 90-95% good. But these last 5% to bring the technology to 100% is a massive step bigger then the 0-90% already done.

Maybe it will never even reach 100% perfection (I believe so, but I think it can happen with a totally different way of transport, don't think of transport in the form of cars). The real question is, what will be enough to stop producing non-self driving cars.

Then there are some other factors that need to be considered:
- Can the current road infrastructure handle this? Or does it need a restructure. And before you say, but cars are self driving right now on the road. I mean ALL roads, ALL. Yes, even the dirt roads, or your driveway. And the driveway into the parking garage. What if you have a driveway that splits? What side will the car take to park? What if there are already cars parked at 1 side, will it take the other? Or just stop and then you are like fuck, I have no steering wheel.
(not all roads are made out of concrete and with lines and with potholes that are only 10cm deep, off-roading is necessary in some parts of the world)
- Can it be possible to have 99.99999% perfect technology for self-driving cars be mixed with ppl who are actually driving, or is that 99.9% only for the ideal situation where everything on wheels with some sort of motor is self-driving? If this is not possible, then there needs to be a switch where everyone starts having self-driving cars on the same day.
- Say, maybe after 10-15 years the half of the world is sitting in self-driving cars, there are regulations and such BUT they defer between countries, will your car stop at a border when you want to cross into a country where your car is not allowed? Or what will happen? (f.i. Europe has a lot of crossable borders )

My point is not against self-driving cars, but when everyone praises the technology and makes assumptions om when we will have them as a society. Just stop for a moment and ask yourself what they say, don't just blindly believe everything, especially not big company's who will always say that it will happen sooner instead of later because they will say the thing what's best for their interests.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Sharasuke

Technology is like 90-95% good. But these last 5% to bring the technology to 100% is a massive step bigger then the 0-90% already done.

Maybe it will never even reach 100% perfection (I believe so, but I think it can happen with a totally different way of transport, don't think of transport in the form of cars). The real question is, what will be enough to stop producing non-self driving cars.

Then there are some other factors that need to be considered:
- Can the current road infrastructure handle this? Or does it need a restructure. And before you say, but cars are self driving right now on the road. I mean ALL roads, ALL. Yes, even the dirt roads, or your driveway. And the driveway into the parking garage. What if you have a driveway that splits? What side will the car take to park? What if there are already cars parked at 1 side, will it take the other? Or just stop and then you are like fuck, I have no steering wheel.
(not all roads are made out of concrete and with lines and with potholes that are only 10cm deep, off-roading is necessary in some parts of the world)
- Can it be possible to have 99.99999% perfect technology for self-driving cars be mixed with ppl who are actually driving, or is that 99.9% only for the ideal situation where everything on wheels with some sort of motor is self-driving? If this is not possible, then there needs to be a switch where everyone starts having self-driving cars on the same day.
- Say, maybe after 10-15 years the half of the world is sitting in self-driving cars, there are regulations and such BUT they defer between countries, will your car stop at a border when you want to cross into a country where your car is not allowed? Or what will happen? (f.i. Europe has a lot of crossable borders )

My point is not against self-driving cars, but when everyone praises the technology and makes assumptions om when we will have them as a society. Just stop for a moment and ask yourself what they say, don't just blindly believe everything, especially not big company's who will always say that it will happen sooner instead of later because they will say the thing what's best for their interests.

....all valid points. I would also add society's mass acceptance of self driving vehicles. It's going to take a very, very long time for the bulk of society to jump on board.......IF they ever do. Tech heads will fiddle with it, but they don't represent the masses at large. Relinquishing control is HUGE.

[city1991]

Originally Posted by spuntyb

Kind of a stodgy article, but it is the WSJ. Just thought I'd share since it's a hot topic right now. Enjoy!

https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-por...ns-11603727944

"However, for the 2020 partnerships, selling a car is not, the only (or even primary) objective; for the automobile brands, it's also about targeting a young demographic that could someday evolve into a reliable customer base. As Uwe Dreher, head of marketing for at BMW North America put it, it doesn't matter if the "people who buy the hoodie with the Kith BMW logo….also buy the car." As he said in an interview before the launch, many of Kith's shoppers aren't even old enough to drive. The partnership is also about building awareness."

There's no hoodie wearing kids who can afford a Porsche or BMW.

[Avaley]

Originally Posted by city1991

There's no hoodie wearing kids who can afford a Porsche or BMW.

I think you underestimate the ability for hoodie wearing kids to age.

[///M4ster Yoda]

Originally Posted by Avaley

I think you underestimate the ability for hoodie wearing kids to age.

They will be onto something else. The attention span isn't there.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by city1991

There's no hoodie wearing kids who can afford a Porsche or BMW.

Tell that to all of the hoodie wearing kids driving around in Porsche's and BMW M's.

[yk36]

Originally Posted by Avaley

I think you underestimate the ability for hoodie wearing kids to age.

Hoodie wearing kids can easily afford used BMWs, unlike Porsches. BMW is not in the same league as a Porsche, price wise and performance wise.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by yk36

Hoodie wearing kids can easily afford used BMWs, unlike Porsches. BMW is not in the same league as a Porsche, price wise and performance wise.

The parents of affluent hoodie wearing kids (...and there are a lot of them) can afford new BMW's and new Porsche's.