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      05-18-2021, 09:54 PM   #23
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What i want to see is a F80 competition 6MT vs a G80 6MT. If the G80 really beat it then we can say it's a far superior car.
Winning a drag race would make it a "far superior car"?
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What i want to see is a F80 competition 6MT vs a G80 6MT. If the G80 really beat it then we can say it's a far superior car.
Winning a drag race would make it a "far superior car"?
You are right but since we are talking about drag race here I was talking about being superior in the power department. I am not convinced that a 6MT G80 would do better than a 6MT F80 competition in a drag race.
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      05-18-2021, 10:19 PM   #25
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What i want to see is a F80 competition 6MT vs a G80 6MT. If the G80 really beat it then we can say it's a far superior car.
Winning a drag race would make it a "far superior car"?
You are right but since we are talking about drag race here I was talking about being superior in the power department. I am not convinced that a 6MT G80 would do better than a 6MT F80 competition in a drag race.
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Just wanted to point out that some obscure channel’s video makes the front page so easily, while the Carwow video with over 1.5m views showing a different result with the F80 vs G80 was never on the front page.
I know, there was the question of whether the F80 in the carwow video was tuned or not but that’s not the point. Because the F80 in this video is clearly not a ZCP, and yet it makes the front page without hesitation since it showed the result they want us to see haha.
that being said, I plan on moving on to the G80 in the future from a F80cs, just finding the bias pretty obvious.
I cant find that video for some reason
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      05-19-2021, 12:15 AM   #27
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I cant find that video for some reason
Here it is.



And here’s the video from 8 months ago with the same Java Green car with no tune (did 0.5s worse in the 1/4 mile). Correctly labeled a non-ZCP here.

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The Carwow video had some serious problems. The Carwow F82 car was 100% confirmed to be not a ZCP and its state of tune was unknown (the owner claimed 500hp on social media, while others thought it just had a burble tune since the presenter said no power was added). Someone even said that the unexpectedly good performance from the F82 possibly came down to tires. This video proves definitively that that 2015 Java Green base car was running far from stock power. The Carwow video is useless for comparing the two generations.
Joe Achilles did the same test, using another F82 comp which was also wearing PS4S (for real it's massive difference in traction especially damp like it always is in the UK) ... results are pretty close to what is on car wow ...


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Joe Achilles did the same test, using another F82 comp which was also wearing PS4S (for real it's massive difference in traction especially damp like it always is in the UK) ... results are pretty close to what is on car wow ...

The results were nowhere near as close, just look at the in gear acceleration where we can concentrate on the power alone!

In the carwow video the F82 is jumping ahead and the G82 had a real trouble even catching up, and in the Joe Achilles video the G82 left the F82 in a dust even if they had brutally shorter distance at their disposal (less than 300 meters)!

Also, it is 100% confirmed that the green F82 M4 was tuned, and every single objective measurement is showing that the G82 is considerably quicker car (it is even faster than the new RS6 on the roll and is walking down on the new Carrera 2S!)



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Joe Achilles did the same test, using another F82 comp which was also wearing PS4S (for real it's massive difference in traction especially damp like it always is in the UK) ... results are pretty close to what is on car wow ...

The results were nowhere near as close, just look at the in gear acceleration where we can concentrate on the power alone!

In the carwow video the F82 is jumping ahead and the G82 had a real trouble even catching up, and in the Joe Achilles video the G82 left the F82 in a dust even if they had brutally shorter distance at their disposal (less than 300 meters)!

Also, it is 100% confirmed that the green F82 M4 was tuned, and every single objective measurement is showing that the G82 is considerably quicker car (it is even faster than the new RS6 on the roll and is walking down on the new Carrera 2S!)



I was going to bring up the Carrera test yesterday, but didn't want to waste my breath. It's one thing to dislike the looks of the new car. It's an entirely different thing to assert that its performance potential isn't substantially better than the outgoing car.
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I was going to bring up the Carrera test yesterday, but didn't want to waste my breath. It's one thing to dislike the looks of the new car. It's an entirely different thing to assert that its performance potential isn't substantially better than the outgoing car.
It's hilarious reading the comments from current F80/F82 owners denying the obvious.

Laws of physics. Basic engineering concepts. HP/torque numbers. 1/4 mile and 0-60 times. All mean nothing.
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Thank god the new one is faster and more capable... But you also need to filter out marketing BS and check the actual difference in performance if possible from multiple sources, it's not always as big as marketing wants us to think The AWD version will probably bury everything.
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The results were nowhere near as close, just look at the in gear acceleration where we can concentrate on the power alone!

In the carwow video the F82 is jumping ahead and the G82 had a real trouble even catching up, and in the Joe Achilles video the G82 left the F82 in a dust even if they had brutally shorter distance at their disposal (less than 300 meters)!

Also, it is 100% confirmed that the green F82 M4 was tuned, and every single objective measurement is showing that the G82 is considerably quicker car (it is even faster than the new RS6 on the roll and is walking down on the new Carrera 2S!)
Truth be told, these "in gear pulls" are total BS comparisons to start with simply because the DCT and ZF8 have different gearing. The longer gearing of the DCT puts it at a disadvantage when starting in the same numerical gear than the ZF8.

The fact that the G8X has a better power-to-weight tells us it is the faster car. However all these videos do not give a true appreciation of the acceleration difference between the two. They are just click baits.
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All Blacked out trim, Badge, Exhaust Tips points to it being a Comp. Yes with moonroof but still a comp.
The F80 is a non competition model. Guy said it in the video and also referenced an early video of the same car
. If you watch that video you can clearly see the base model exhaust tips and etc. He blacked out everything
+1 The car has the base model front seats as well.
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The 911 S is .4 quicker to 60--lighter and rear engine. It loses half of that in the 1/4 and if the run was 1/2 mile, it would be eating the G82's dust. The RS5 will get the jump--AWD off the line and lose by 2 lengths in the 1/4. In a 1/2, it would be left for dead. 50 punches in 4th, 5th and 6th clearly show this. I'm not knocking previous M's, but to question the new car's superiority is sour grapes. No high performance car maker is 'ever' going to bring out something slower.
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Truth be told, these "in gear pulls" are total BS comparisons to start with simply because the DCT and ZF8 have different gearing. The longer gearing of the DCT puts it at a disadvantage when starting in the same numerical gear than the ZF8.

The fact that the G8X has a better power-to-weight tells us it is the faster car. However all these videos do not give a true appreciation of the acceleration difference between the two. They are just click baits.
I agree (that is the reason I have never liked carwow roll races), the most realistic scenario would be for the cars to start the roll race in the most optimal gear for that given speed, but that was not the point of my post because some forum members have claimed that the outcome of the two separate situations where we have G82 and F82 was similar, which was not the case
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I was going to bring up the Carrera test yesterday, but didn't want to waste my breath. It's one thing to dislike the looks of the new car. It's an entirely different thing to assert that its performance potential isn't substantially better than the outgoing car.
Exactly!
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The Carwow video had some serious problems. The Carwow F82 car was 100% confirmed to be not a ZCP and its state of tune was unknown (the owner claimed 500hp on social media, while others thought it just had a burble tune since the presenter said no power was added). Someone even said that the unexpectedly good performance from the F82 possibly came down to tires. This video proves definitively that that 2015 Java Green base car was running far from stock power. The Carwow video is useless for comparing the two generations.
100% Correct! I was adamant in the comments about that F80 having a stage 1 tune. Stock F80 running low 12's on a DAMP tarmac? Puuuhhhhlease....
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But it's better looking by miles
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But it's better looking by miles
The m240i is missing hips and a ass (that the M2 thankfully fixed) and the CLA looks lopsided. So not really sure I trust your opinion on cars.

Opinions, right? They are funny things and everyone has one.
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But it's better looking by miles
The m240i is missing hips and a ass (that the M2 thankfully fixed) and the CLA looks lopsided. So not really sure I trust your opinion on cars.

Opinions, right? They are funny things and everyone has one.
Thank you for taking the time to type up your reply. I appreciate it. Good job doing your home work👍 yes most people love g80/82. I'm a unicorn. That front end is beautiful!

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