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      06-08-2021, 11:01 AM   #1
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I hear the G8x is a mini-M5, though.

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The M3/4 has always been a marvellous Jack of all trades. I've always said affectionately of all my M3/4 that they aren't the best at anything, but they are the second best at everything .
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Funny guy this Steve, I actually like him. What also is funny that when BMW always lost in these track battles, it was a worse car because it lost. Now its the worse car in almost all possible ways, even if it won.
Does this make sense or is there some bias?
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Funny guy this Steve, I actually like him. What also is funny that when BMW always lost in these track battles, it was a worse car because it lost. Now its the worse car in almost all possible ways, even if it won.
Does this make sense or is there some bias?
Remember- Porsche>BMW in all cases.
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Funny guy this Steve, I actually like him. What also is funny that when BMW always lost in these track battles, it was a worse car because it lost. Now its the worse car in almost all possible ways, even if it won.
Does this make sense or is there some bias?
I really don't think it's bias as he's pretty complementary of the M4 which has the disadvantage of being based on a passenger car while the GT4 is riding on a dedicated sports car chassis. I would wager you could drop any of us in these two cars on the track and the GT4 would probably come off as more fun to most of us based on it being smaller, lighter, and feeling closer to a race car. The M4 manages to be a little quicker around the track while being far more livable as a daily driver so for most of us would be the car to own if you could only own one car. Another thing of note is that GT4 is going to feel a lot slower on the street than the M4 as it needs to be pushed to high RPM for motivation as in the words of Car & Driver "it's a little dull at low revs".

Different track but a manual GT4 is neck and neck with a C8 Corvette so it's pretty clear the G8x can hang with the big dogs which is something you couldn't really say about the F8x cars.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...18-cayman-gt4/
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I really don't think it's bias as he's pretty complementary of the M4 which has the disadvantage of being based on a passenger car while the GT4 is riding on a dedicated sports car chassis. I would wager you could drop any of us in these two cars on the track and the GT4 would probably come off as more fun to most of us based on it being smaller, lighter, and feeling closer to a race car. The M4 manages to be a little quicker around the track while being far more livable as a daily driver so for most of us would be the car to own if you could only own one car. Another thing of note is that GT4 is going to feel a lot slower on the street than the M4 as it needs to be pushed to high RPM for motivation as in the words of Car & Driver "it's a little dull at low revs".

Different track but a manual GT4 is neck and neck with a C8 Corvette so it's pretty clear the G8x can hang with the big dogs which is something you couldn't really say about the F8x cars.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...18-cayman-gt4/
I think if you broke down the lap, likely the capabilities are much higher on the turns in the GT4 but the massive power and torque advantages of the M4 show on the straights very well. Very similar to how a Panamera turbo can run the same 7:28 on the N'Ring as a GT4 despite being so much heavier, but also makes so much more power...on top of that the suspension and tire developments in recent years show you can take a large car and mask the weight well. Beyond that, I bet if Steve Sutcliffe were to do 10 or 20 laps, the GT4 will be more consistent and pull further and further ahead the longer it goes. Hero laps don't always tell you much...
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Funny guy this Steve, I actually like him. What also is funny that when BMW always lost in these track battles, it was a worse car because it lost. Now its the worse car in almost all possible ways, even if it won.
Does this make sense or is there some bias?
I really don't think it's bias as he's pretty complementary of the M4 which has the disadvantage of being based on a passenger car while the GT4 is riding on a dedicated sports car chassis. I would wager you could drop any of us in these two cars on the track and the GT4 would probably come off as more fun to most of us based on it being smaller, lighter, and feeling closer to a race car. The M4 manages to be a little quicker around the track while being far more livable as a daily driver so for most of us would be the car to own if you could only own one car. Another thing of note is that GT4 is going to feel a lot slower on the street than the M4 as it needs to be pushed to high RPM for motivation as in the words of Car & Driver "it's a little dull at low revs".

Different track but a manual GT4 is neck and neck with a C8 Corvette so it's pretty clear the G8x can hang with the big dogs which is something you couldn't really say about the F8x cars.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...18-cayman-gt4/
+1 to all of this, particularly driving the GT4 on the street. That's where the G8x will shine
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My takeaway . . . how he gets around a track is more important to this gentleman that how fast.

Might or might not have a different perspective on which car he prefers when it comes to daily driving on typical roadways . . . but how many owners of either of these cars will ever utilize them in such a manner?

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On a small track like this and 1 lap only, how big of an advantage was the CCB on the GT4? Perhaps the GT4 would be a few tenths slower with standard steel brakes?
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The only take-away here is that this new gen M3/M4 are the most competent of all prior gens BMW has made, despite weight/ looks yada yada. As for GT4, nothing to see here, it's already highly regarded as one of the best sports cars money can buy. It's price point in NA also reflects that, M3/M4 is cheap in comparison.


M3/M4 was never a replacement or substitute for a GT4 so the fact that this new generation of M3/M4 can be competitive on a track with something as incredible as a GT4 is massive compliment to the BMW. No other generation of M3/M4 was this competitive despite all the noise we hear from the dissenters on the interwebs.

If money was no object, my dream garage would have a PDK GT4 and a run of the mill Lexus. One for reliability and under the radar commute and the other for sheer driving pleasure and hooliganism.
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My previous ride was a Cayman S, my dad owns an M4 and now driving an M340ix I've spent a considerable of time owning/driving the tamer version of both these vehicles. After hours and hour in each- the biggest difference when driving is the feel in weight. The Porsche feels like a go-kart on steroids, it's nimble, agile, tiny and you push 1 sport button to set it. The m4 and m340ix have the weight of a car and configuration settings of a cockpit. They're both awesome but in very different ways, and the thing not mentioned in any "porsche vs. x" reviews is this- if you own a Porsche, you NEED another car. Even as a single guy with no kids, the impracticality is off the charts in a Porsche.

I'm short- the Porsche is the high maintenance woman that drives you crazy, the M is the one you marry
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I think the takeaway is you buy both, track the Porsche, and pick up the kids in the BMW.
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Funny guy this Steve, I actually like him. What also is funny that when BMW always lost in these track battles, it was a worse car because it lost. Now its the worse car in almost all possible ways, even if it won.
Does this make sense or is there some bias?
No Bias.
Just clever journalism. Lol.
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Funny guy this Steve, I actually like him. What also is funny that when BMW always lost in these track battles, it was a worse car because it lost. Now its the worse car in almost all possible ways, even if it won.
Does this make sense or is there some bias?
I really don't think it's bias as he's pretty complementary of the M4 which has the disadvantage of being based on a passenger car while the GT4 is riding on a dedicated sports car chassis. I would wager you could drop any of us in these two cars on the track and the GT4 would probably come off as more fun to most of us based on it being smaller, lighter, and feeling closer to a race car. The M4 manages to be a little quicker around the track while being far more livable as a daily driver so for most of us would be the car to own if you could only own one car. Another thing of note is that GT4 is going to feel a lot slower on the street than the M4 as it needs to be pushed to high RPM for motivation as in the words of Car & Driver "it's a little dull at low revs".

Different track but a manual GT4 is neck and neck with a C8 Corvette so it's pretty clear the G8x can hang with the big dogs which is something you couldn't really say about the F8x cars.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...18-cayman-gt4/
I can put my bags and kids in a m3 and go to the airport and know that the car would beat 99% of the cars on the road( depending how many Teslas on the road!)
You can not do that with porche.
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My previous ride was a Cayman S, my dad owns an M4 and now driving an M340ix I've spent a considerable of time owning/driving the tamer version of both these vehicles. After hours and hour in each- the biggest difference when driving is the feel in weight. The Porsche feels like a go-kart on steroids, it's nimble, agile, tiny and you push 1 sport button to set it. The m4 and m340ix have the weight of a car and configuration settings of a cockpit. They're both awesome but in very different ways, and the thing not mentioned in any "porsche vs. x" reviews is this- if you own a Porsche, you NEED another car. Even as a single guy with no kids, the impracticality is off the charts in a Porsche.

I'm short- the Porsche is the high maintenance woman that drives you crazy, the M is the one you marry
Well said sir
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The gt4 must have destroyed the bmw on corners to make up for the lack of turbo muscle..
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The gt4 must have destroyed the bmw on corners to make up for the lack of turbo muscle..
I don't see any other alternative. GT4 shouldn't have nearly the torque, or straight line speed... must've been the corners themselves
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Funny guy this Steve, I actually like him. What also is funny that when BMW always lost in these track battles, it was a worse car because it lost. Now its the worse car in almost all possible ways, even if it won.
Does this make sense or is there some bias?
I really don't think it's bias as he's pretty complementary of the M4 which has the disadvantage of being based on a passenger car while the GT4 is riding on a dedicated sports car chassis. I would wager you could drop any of us in these two cars on the track and the GT4 would probably come off as more fun to most of us based on it being smaller, lighter, and feeling closer to a race car. The M4 manages to be a little quicker around the track while being far more livable as a daily driver so for most of us would be the car to own if you could only own one car. Another thing of note is that GT4 is going to feel a lot slower on the street than the M4 as it needs to be pushed to high RPM for motivation as in the words of Car & Driver "it's a little dull at low revs".

Different track but a manual GT4 is neck and neck with a C8 Corvette so it's pretty clear the G8x can hang with the big dogs which is something you couldn't really say about the F8x cars.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...18-cayman-gt4/
I can put my bags and kids in a m3 and go to the airport and know that the car would beat 99% of the cars on the road( depending how many Teslas on the road!)
You can not do that with porche.
Exactly it's unfair already to compare a daily car like the M3/M4 to a dedicated sport car like the GT4. Just the fact it can keep up with the GT4 make the M3 an incredible achievement.
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