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      03-22-2021, 10:55 AM   #67
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People are over reacted with springs, they're not that bad!! They're not the best option, but they're certainly not "GARBAGE" according to some of you.

Some folks here hate springs but love KW HAS, well, they're the same, but the KW kit give you an option to raise or lower lmao!!

Some people!!!!
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I am still not impressed. The rear of the car is not flowing with the front to me it's like a big Honda Civic type r
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People are over reacted with springs, they're not that bad!! They're not the best option, but they're certainly not "GARBAGE" according to some of you.

Some folks here hate springs but love KW HAS, well, they're the same, but the KW kit give you an option to raise or lower lmao!!

Some people!!!!
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Or BMW's HAS. Obviously there's some room for the suspension to still be adequate with a modest drop (...like a spring).
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      03-22-2021, 01:44 PM   #71
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To each his own! I have never or will never road race my cars. For me it's the look. I always do coil overs so I guess that's better than springs. I laugh at you guys who are like M performance has this thing set up perfectly. Like your doing something wrong if you lower the car. Relax there Turbo=) Thing looks like a fucking Jeep from the factory. Horrendous!! Like I said before, no need to worry about scraping the front splitter anymore. Unless you go up a 10" curb. LOL
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why people will do that is out of my understanding. Looks out of place, not to mention how the heck you will clean all the residuals, sand, mud and everything that will retain moisture if you do that?
I have a hard time cleaning it as is...
Lowering? Well it does have performance benefits even if you don't like the aesthetics.
Can you tell me of the performance benefits of just adding lowering springs?
Lower center of gravity.
Lower center of gravity doesn't mean anything though if your suspension travels is all out of sorts and the suspension geometry is also out of whack due to the lowered stance. Correct me if I am wrong, but this is from my experience when I tried just springs, then added shocks with springs than eventually to real good set of coilovers.
I am doing M performance springs at the recommended height (.4" drop in front if I recall correctly). I am not lowering 2.9999" to create a slammed look. I am not adding spacers to throw off overall suspension geometry. There is a difference but please correct me if I'm wrong.
First off we were talking about the car and springs in this thread and this situation. You responded by saying it helps because it lowers center of gravity. You didn't mention any thing about M sport springs from BMW and a measly .4inch drop. I can get a .4 inch drop by putting a bag or 2 of water softener in my car and get better center of gravity if that is the case.
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Lowering? Well it does have performance benefits even if you don't like the aesthetics.
No, it doesnt. You don't push that car to the limits where you will benefit from that difference of that center of gravity.
Secondly, it comes with some negatives and punishment for the chassis and the comfort.
Forget about being unable to wash it under and put high pressure wash in there to prevent future rust and clean the wheel well.

It looks out of place as the wheel arch of the car is not in sync with the wheel anymore; looks like is broken, and has no benefits for a normal user.
I do push cars to the limit (not on the street). I did find my F80 handled noticeably better after lowering springs were installed.

You're making a subjective statement about the appearance of a lowered car and for the most part I agree with you. I'm not a fan of the "slammed" look. I do feel a modest drop and spacers helps any car look better and I say that as a 39 year old Executive and not a "boy racer."
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I do push cars to the limit (not on the street). I did find my F80 handled noticeably better after lowering springs were installed.
Did it make a difference in lap time though, I mean if you're talking about hard track use and (very incrementally) lowering the centre of gravity, that's what really counts right?

Otherwise it's really just aesthetics, as the car is never going to get to that extreme edge of the performance envelope where a millimetre or two of CoG height (not ride height) will make the difference on the road...

Personally I'm more of a 'drive it stock' guy, I don't buy into modding cars the instant I buy it and if it's really that bad in the first place, why buy it? Each to their own I guess.

Anyway just saying as a 40-something guy
Unless the car's suspension has been totally thrown off by some extremely low springs that makes the bounce up and down like a jack rabbit on viagra then there are actual benefits of being slightly lower, although lap times probably won't be dramatically different. Before I went with MPHAS and had the car properly corner balanced, I just slapped some Macht Schnell Sport Comps and it improved how the far felt. It wasn't a crazy drop and I did it mainly for looks, but it did give me a bit more confidence at the track which means I can turn out a better lap than without that confidence. Maybe it's that you are sitting a bit lower, maybe it's all in our heads... but I do agree, the slammed look with springs alone without consideration as to the dampers is not a significant or even effective performance mode. Then again, the M3/4 owners that don't actually take these cars to the limit far, far outnumber those that do.
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      03-23-2021, 01:59 AM   #77
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Great shots! Would love to hear initial thoughts on ride quality as you work with AST to refine the product.
Very similar to the stock ride and keeps all of the suspension settings.
Hey sean im currently in looks for one and wnna get some after market wheels do yu kno specs heard hub is smaller on this car that the f80
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      03-23-2021, 09:47 AM   #78
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whenever theres a new chassis of BMW out, PSI is always the first one to lower it. And every single time, there are weirdos in the comments acting like the car has been completely ruined by a set of lowering springs. these same guys were saying the same thing in e90post years and years ago.
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First off we were talking about the car and springs in this thread and this situation. You responded by saying it helps because it lowers center of gravity. You didn't mention any thing about M sport springs from BMW and a measly .4inch drop. I can get a .4 inch drop by putting a bag or 2 of water softener in my car and get better center of gravity if that is the case.
"First off," what are you talking about? You asked a loaded question about performance benefits of lowering springs (perhaps to play "gotcha") and I respond, quite simply "lower center of gravity."

Now you are arguing with me for some reason that is completely unclear to me.
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Agreed, with new wheel setup. Looks great rolling btw.
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whenever theres a new chassis of BMW out, PSI is always the first one to lower it. And every single time, there are weirdos in the comments acting like the car has been completely ruined by a set of lowering springs. these same guys were saying the same thing in e90post years and years ago.
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Man i must say bmw guys in this thread dont know anything about suspension setup its actually crazy LOL. Its very clear you guys just drive your cars on the street and not the track.
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Man i must say bmw guys in this thread dont know anything about suspension setup its actually crazy LOL. Its very clear you guys just drive your cars on the street and not the track.
The point is MOST BMW's are street cars, so there really isn't a need for crazy suspension set-ups (...unless you have money to burn, which is the category most modders fall into). It's akin to the dude who buys a powerful scope to put on his AR to shoot 25 or less yards......when a red dot with 1X magnification is plenty enough (...loose example/analogy). A modest drop on springs with not significantly mess up the geometry for street driving.
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Very nice! Would a square setup with oem 20" at the front work or would that give too much poke?
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Man i must say bmw guys in this thread dont know anything about suspension setup its actually crazy LOL. Its very clear you guys just drive your cars on the street and not the track.
It's an incredibly complex thing to mess around with with....which is why i go with OEM BMW M Performance Parts and set it at the recommended height....because i WANT the drop without screwing up the performance lol. I track my cars all summer.

My M3 CS was so f*cking good stock that I left it completely alone and (to me) it looks like a monster truck. But man, it drives incredible.

The M3 CS was NOT designed to work with M Performance Springs, so I left it alone because there was no OEM product available.

Some of us realize what we DON'T know, and stay in our lanes. With that being said, I am still faster than people way more knowledgeable than I am.
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It's an incredibly complex thing to mess around with with....which is why i go with OEM BMW M Performance Parts and set it at the recommended height....because i WANT the drop without screwing up the performance lol. I track my cars all summer.

My M3 CS was so f*cking good stock that I left it completely alone and (to me) it looks like a monster truck. But man, it drives incredible.

The M3 CS was NOT designed to work with M Performance Springs, so I left it alone because there was no OEM product available.

Some of us realize what we DON'T know, and stay in our lanes. With that being said, I am still faster than people way more knowledgeable than I am.
The CS is also a nearly perfect car.
I say nearly because if it would have been a Manual Version of it I would have bought it. instantly. and kept it forever
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The CS is also a nearly perfect car.
I say nearly because if it would have been a Manual Version of it I would have bought it. instantly. and kept it forever
If my CS was manual I would be keeping it as a dedicated track car. At least I would look stylish whilst making my pathetic "heel-toe" attempts.
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Come on guys- we all know putting lowering springs on any car only helps with the looks. Over time they do jack up the stock dampers- I would recommend waiting for BMW to release their proper HAS Kit from MP. Or wait to see if KW will be releasing a full on coils system for G8X . No need to have 5 pages of why lowering springs sucks or don't suck!
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