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      05-07-2021, 02:30 PM   #67
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      05-07-2021, 03:24 PM   #69
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Just to show that these comparison to the 911 aren't new.

2009 M3 vs 911 Carrera Car and Driver
2015 M4 vs 911 Carrera Car and Driver

I actually find it flattering that the two are compared and for the M3/4 to finish on top .
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Not according to MotorTrend. According to them the G80 is very close to the 911 in speed and feel.


https://www.motortrend.com/cars/bmw/...-drive-review/
A German youtube from their largest motorsports magazine tested an M4 Comp against a 911 S
The 992 was .4 quicker to 60, but only .2 in the 1/4. 4th, 5th and 6th gear 60 punches: in 4th and 5th, the M4 left it for dead--and this was the S. In 6th, low rpm obviously, it steadily walked away from the Porsche. German mag (in German, actually), no ax to grind. The rear engine gave it the jump; by 100 or so, the advantage started shrinking. Punches? M4 clear winner. It will leave a non-S in the weeds from the start. To say it doesn't match up very well with a Porsche--which would have stickered for at least $130k--or ~ $50k over what mine cost, is simply incorrect. The same result would happen against a C8. As to their only knock--the grill, if BMW came out with it first, it would be offsetting. But Lexus has had them for years--and look far worse, now down market to Toyotas. So has Audi, although theirs is much better looing than Lexus. Personally, I liked it from the start, and like it more every time I look at it.
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Maybe if there was more left turns they'd have more fun.
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I think automotive journalism is dead. With the influx of youtubers calling themselves "reviewers", it has really diluted the essence of what automotive journalism used to be. To not piss manufactures off (cut the hand off that feeds you), I think review these days are extremely subjective based on ad dollars etc. There are a few that still don't give a fuk like Chris Harris when he was banned from testing Ferrari because he gave an honest review. I don't trust most reviews I read these days. I will do my own test drive.
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Trying to hustle a 3,800 lb car around a track like LRP was not likely to produce an adjective like “fun” from auto journalists. I love LRP and have raced there many times but it’s a very short, tight track, and would not have played to this car’s biggest strength:being an enormously competent and quick everyday driver with a MT. So, I think the review kinda misses the point. And I think most track day drivers will find their G80/83s to be enormously fun, so long as they don’t expect it to turn laps like a Cayman GTS. In my book the F80 was better looking but since I can’t lease a new one, a G80 M3 is compelling, even with the less attractive packaging.
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I think being competent at lapping road tracks (while still being a tolerable daily driver) is exactly what the M3 product promise is. Otherwise it's competing with fast straight line GT cars like the Dodge Charger V8 or something and that's not what an M3 is to me.

If an M3 is truly not fun to do a track day in then it has lost its way.
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I think being competent at lapping road tracks (while still being a tolerable daily driver) is exactly what the M3 product promise is. Otherwise it's competing with fast straight line GT cars like the Dodge Charger V8 or something and that's not what an M3 is to me.

If an M3 is truly not fun to do a track day in then it has lost its way.
How competent? How fast do you want to lap in your daily driver with a 3-pt seatbelt? I'd guess that the car can do 1 minute laps at Lime Rock, maybe .59s. Not fast enough?
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They should have taken the G8X to the Glen, not to a Miata track like LRP
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I think being competent at lapping road tracks (while still being a tolerable daily driver) is exactly what the M3 product promise is. Otherwise it's competing with fast straight line GT cars like the Dodge Charger V8 or something and that's not what an M3 is to me.

If an M3 is truly not fun to do a track day in then it has lost its way.
How competent? How fast do you want to lap in your daily driver with a 3-pt seatbelt? I'd guess that the car can do 1 minute laps at Lime Rock, maybe .59s. Not fast enough?
Faster than most of us can even drive I'm sure
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I like cars and I enjoy reading car reviews. I reach my own conclusions, based on my personal preferences and use case, but reviews help inform things I may pay particular attention to during my test drives.

The universal anointing of the M2cs is a pretty good indicator of what a lot of automotive journalist gravitate to. That said, most of the G80 reviews I've read have been very good. Even those that have offered some criticism : Chris Harris, Matt Farrah, R&T, etc., have also remarked on several good points. The consensus at R&T is that the car is VERY capable, but not as fun as they had hoped - primarily due to the cars size. This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone because the car is, in fact, large. And BMW suspects the majority of potential buyers want it that way (besides,it would be redundant to size the G80 @ M2 dimensions).

Based on everything I've read, the G80 sounds like an outstanding daily; I wouldn't get bent out of shape if a reviewer is disappointed with its weekend fun car chops. In fact, I doubt the G80 would be at the top of hardly anyone's weekend fun car/second car list. Those looking for a sporty daily, however, are definitely going to short list the G80.
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Here’s where Doug DeMuro ranks the G80 M3. Higher than the M2 Competition and even the F80 M3 CS (on the basis of the M3 being a better daily driver). Strong competition. I wish other bloggers and magazines would do broad comparisons like this. The best data-based comparisons are the DougScore, C&D’a Lightning Lap, TFL’s Ike Gauntlet (for tow vehicles) and I guess Consumer Reports.

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Tied with M2C on that list for fun factor.

It's subjective; just get behind the wheel and take it around your favorite turns at speed if you can. You'll know right away what the G80 brings to the table.
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Here's where Doug DeMuro ranks the G80 M3. Higher than the M2 Competition and even the F80 M3 CS (on the basis of the M3 being a better daily driver). Strong competition. I wish other bloggers and magazines would do broad comparisons like this. The best data-based comparisons are the DougScore, C&D'a Lightning Lap, TFL's Ike Gauntlet (for tow vehicles) and I guess Consumer Reports.

I am sorry Dougs videos are good for quirks and features but I would not use him to set the bar on how fun a car is. It looks like he just takes the cars around the block and rates them. The guys at CD has the car for at least a full day at the track or multiple days on a trip. Additionally, Dougs channel relies on ad revenue, not in his favor to shit on new cars he reviews from dealers/manufacturers
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Additionally, Dougs channel relies on ad revenue, not in his favor to shit on new cars he reviews from dealers/manufacturers
YouTubers get paid a portion of ad revenue from content served by Google's ad network, which is targeted based on the viewer. C&D and R&T and MotorTrend sell advertising space directly to brands and get paid directly. Now tell me which one is more likely to be influenced by auto manufacturers??
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I really don't get the 911 comparisons, totally different cars but I suspect it comes from a time when most M3's had two doors and a lot of M3 owners aspired to 'graduate' to a Porsche 911 one day.

Comparing the new M3 to the Panamera might be a better comparison, I need 4 doors so a 911 was never on the cards. The M4 is not even comparable to the 911 in terms of price or practicality or even the vehicle class it sits in. M4 is more of a GT style car and would be comparable to something in its price point like a Ford Mustang GT500, and the M3 comparable to Audi RS5 Sport Back, C63 AMG etc
What the fuck is this guy talking about? The m3 should be compared to a panamera?? And a m4 should be compared to a mustang??

Idk if he's trolling or not lmao

They're the same car you do realize that right? The same interior, the same performance, 85% of the exterior is identical, they also feel nearly identical while driving
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I really don't get the 911 comparisons, totally different cars but I suspect it comes from a time when most M3's had two doors and a lot of M3 owners aspired to 'graduate' to a Porsche 911 one day.

Comparing the new M3 to the Panamera might be a better comparison, I need 4 doors so a 911 was never on the cards. The M4 is not even comparable to the 911 in terms of price or practicality or even the vehicle class it sits in. M4 is more of a GT style car and would be comparable to something in its price point like a Ford Mustang GT500, and the M3 comparable to Audi RS5 Sport Back, C63 AMG etc
The comparison stems from the fact that the M3(4) and 911 have been competing each other in GT racing on tracks around the world for decades. Further, a very strong appeal of the the M3(4) is that they have always offered near 911 levels of driving engagement with more practicality and far less cost, so they were very appealing alternatives. While the M3(4) have always been closer to their MB/Audi segment counterparts in size, they've been closer the 911 in driving spirit. Every generation of M3(4) have been pegged against the 911. This is nothing new.
I think that's wishful thinking from M3 owners to have them in the same bracket.

On M3 forums you often see people selling cars and buying 911's, I don't think you see guys saying I'm selling my 911 in favor of an M4 too often

When I think of M3's racing back in the day they were competing in touring cars vs Mercedes etc not Porsche
You missed the point entirely lol
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YouTubers get paid a portion of ad revenue from content served by Google's ad network, which is targeted based on the viewer. C&D and R&T and MotorTrend sell advertising space directly to brands and get paid directly. Now tell me which one is more likely to be influenced by auto manufacturers??
Youtubers and influencers need to rely on manufacturers lending them cars and inviting them to events to be able to publish content on which they make money. Scratch my back and I'll scratch yours. Automotive journalism used to be more objective and critical before the days of internet. For sure, particular publications had particular preferences, but I remember reading pretty harsh reviews. Some magazines such as Auto Motor und Sport pride themeselves on remaining fully objective, and it shows in their articles. Some manufacturers actually avoid lending them test cars for that exact reason. Comparision tests are the most interesting to me because they talk directly to the advantages and disadvantages of each car being compared.
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I really don't get the 911 comparisons, totally different cars but I suspect it comes from a time when most M3's had two doors and a lot of M3 owners aspired to 'graduate' to a Porsche 911 one day.

Comparing the new M3 to the Panamera might be a better comparison, I need 4 doors so a 911 was never on the cards. The M4 is not even comparable to the 911 in terms of price or practicality or even the vehicle class it sits in. M4 is more of a GT style car and would be comparable to something in its price point like a Ford Mustang GT500, and the M3 comparable to Audi RS5 Sport Back, C63 AMG etc
What the fuck is this guy talking about? The m3 should be compared to a panamera?? And a m4 should be compared to a mustang??

Idk if he's trolling or not lmao

They're the same car you do realize that right? The same interior, the same performance, 85% of the exterior is identical, they also feel nearly identical while driving
No troll intended. Lol

If you wanted/needed a fast 4 door car, what Porsche do you suggest comparing it to?
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