[FMLYSDN]

Originally Posted by warcity

Matte paint is more difficult to maintain. Can't polish it, car wash isn't recommended, special PH balanced shampoo needed etc…. Of course "difficult" is subjective. Some may not find it difficult. I'm comparing it to traditional paint.

Not sure what you're talking about. Difficult? Too many people feeding into the whole misconception about high maintenance or difficult to deal with. Complete nonsense.

But I'll play along.......

Damn paint. Stay away! Even it sees the light of day it will flake! Heaven forbid it sees rain, it tends to melt and bubble. Blasphemy. Why would BMW even consider putting such a volatile and delicate product on their cars! Complete bullocks I say. Frozen paint. What a hoax.

[warcity]

Originally Posted by FMLYSDN

Not sure what you're talking about. Difficult? Too many people feeding into the whole misconception about high maintenance or difficult to deal with. Complete nonsense.

But I'll play along.......

Damn paint. Stay away! Even it sees the light of day it will flake! Heaven forbid it sees rain, it tends to melt and bubble. Blasphemy. Why would BMW even consider putting such a volatile and delicate product on their cars! Complete bullocks I say. Frozen paint. What a hoax.

As I said. "Difficult" is subjective. It's difficult for me but clearly not for you and that's good.

[babaikram]

I have frozen black M6. You only need to wash yourself with neutral ph snow foam and blow dry or use high quality microfibre towel to dry off. If you can wash yourself once a week and you can use Dr Beasley's product to protect the paint, then is no more difficult than ordinary metallic paint. However it is a lot more difficult to buff out hairline scratches but Dr Beasley's matte paint protection can help to some extent.

[Foggins]

Looks killer, congrats!

[Preciseyyc]

Originally Posted by amzbimmer

Someone else had a post comparing a blue with Xpel stealth versus a true frozen. The frozen paint has a lot more depth compared to the Xpel, it's not really the same end result. However, this does accomplish 80% of the look and protects the underlying paint if that's what you are looking for.

If you really want frozen, i would just fork over the $5k to get the true frozen that will last the lifetime of the car, rather than 5 years or however long the wrap lasts.

Either way, looks great!

Incorrect.
I've done the PPF over frozen and its a dead match to frozen. And then protects it.
Frozen paint can't be touched up. Polished etc etc.
Anyone driving it is best to wrap them fully with a stealth PPF. I use stek personally as it's a nicer film than xpel. But very common practice to complete cover a frozen car. Last thing you want is scratches or chips resulting in a repaint. When you can do a PPF with 10 year warranty and redo it when needed which is significantly cheaper than paint.

[Preciseyyc]

I seen this while I was at Rainer's grabbing stuff.
I as many others hated the new styling, but after seeing yours in person it changed my view on it, the spec on this one is perfectly done 👌🏻👌🏻

[amzbimmer]

Originally Posted by Preciseyyc

Incorrect.
I've done the PPF over frozen and its a dead match to frozen. And then protects it.
Frozen paint can't be touched up. Polished etc etc.
Anyone driving it is best to wrap them fully with a stealth PPF. I use stek personally as it's a nicer film than xpel. But very common practice to complete cover a frozen car. Last thing you want is scratches or chips resulting in a repaint. When you can do a PPF with 10 year warranty and redo it when needed which is significantly cheaper than paint.

I think you misunderstood my post - I wasn't talking about PPF over a frozen. My point was that "converting" a non frozen to a frozen using Xpel stealth isn't the same as getting a frozen color to begin with. If you're not familiar with Xpel stealth you can look it up.

From what I've heard putting a clear PPF over frozen is the way to go, if you get frozen, I do agree with that. But then you have the cost of both the frozen individual paint plus cost of PPF, which is greater than cost of a non frozen color with Xpel stealth over it.

[bmbob]

Originally Posted by Preciseyyc

I seen this while I was at Rainer's grabbing stuff.
I as many others hated the new styling, but after seeing yours in person it changed my view on it, the spec on this one is perfectly done 👌🏻👌🏻

Oh cool, thank you!

[pcai]

Originally Posted by Preciseyyc

Incorrect.
I've done the PPF over frozen and its a dead match to frozen. And then protects it.
Frozen paint can't be touched up. Polished etc etc.
Anyone driving it is best to wrap them fully with a stealth PPF. I use stek personally as it's a nicer film than xpel. But very common practice to complete cover a frozen car. Last thing you want is scratches or chips resulting in a repaint. When you can do a PPF with 10 year warranty and redo it when needed which is significantly cheaper than paint.

Are you sure about PPF being a "dead match" to a frozen paint?



Before I saw this comparison photo I also thought that stealth PPF won't hinder the sheen of frozen paint. So I thought that getting frozen paint and putting PPF over it (while very $$$) would be the best of both worlds. Now I don't think so anymore. It will be a much better choice to just save your money and get regular metallic paint and put stealth PPF over it if you want a matte finish, and not to mention your car would be fully protected as well.

[pcai]

Originally Posted by amzbimmer

I think you misunderstood my post - I wasn't talking about PPF over a frozen. My point was that "converting" a non frozen to a frozen using Xpel stealth isn't the same as getting a frozen color to begin with. If you're not familiar with Xpel stealth you can look it up.

From what I've heard putting a clear PPF over frozen is the way to go, if you get frozen, I do agree with that. But then you have the cost of both the frozen individual paint plus cost of PPF, which is greater than cost of a non frozen color with Xpel stealth over it.

I don't think you can put normal PPF over matte paint. It will just make the finish really weird as the PPF is glossy and your paint is not. You have to get stealth PPF to preserve the matte finish of the paint, but look at that photo above. It can really screw with the sheen of matte paint.

[amzbimmer]

Originally Posted by pcai

I don't think you can put normal PPF over matte paint. It will just make the finish really weird as the PPF is glossy and your paint is not. You have to get stealth PPF to preserve the matte finish of the paint, but look at that photo above. It can really screw with the sheen of matte paint.

Ok, thanks, good to know. From what I've read you are correct.

[jeffrc3m3]

Originally Posted by pcai

I don't think you can put normal PPF over matte paint. It will just make the finish really weird as the PPF is glossy and your paint is not. You have to get stealth PPF to preserve the matte finish of the paint, but look at that photo above. It can really screw with the sheen of matte paint.

I believe the best option is using a satin PPF on frozen paint. BMW Frozen is more satin then matte, hence an official name like Frozen Dark Grey Metallic

[amzbimmer]

Originally Posted by jeffrc3m3

I believe the best option is using a satin PPF on frozen paint. BMW Frozen is more satin then matte, hence an official name like Frozen Dark Grey Metallic

Thanks, I found this video. The Satin Guard PPF looks pretty decent in the video over the Frozen blue.

[Mperor]

That looks awesome!! But the Xpel Stealth wrap isn't cheap, right, I would think it runs around $5k for the entire car? Man, if I do an individual color and Xpel Stealth it, it would cost near $10k for the paint!

[jeffrc3m3]

Originally Posted by amzbimmer

Thanks, I found this video. The Satin Guard PPF looks pretty decent in the video over the Frozen blue.

Thanks for posting. Going to a shop in 2 weeks who is doing this so I can see in person before I make my final decisions. Want to keep most of, if not all of the sheen the frozen paint has vs a matte finish.

[OSee]

Originally Posted by Mperor

That looks awesome!! But the Xpel Stealth wrap isn't cheap, right, I would think it runs around $5k for the entire car? Man, if I do an individual color and Xpel Stealth it, it would cost near $10k for the paint!

You'd likely be 1 of 1 though. At the very least in your region. Is that worth $10k?

[DHDCF]

Originally Posted by Mperor

That looks awesome!! But the Xpel Stealth wrap isn't cheap, right, I would think it runs around $5k for the entire car? Man, if I do an individual color and Xpel Stealth it, it would cost near $10k for the paint!

Here in San Antonio full xpel stealth wrap will run you a cool 7k. That cost is xpel proper as their install hq is right here in SA. They do it right though, no doubt.

[sleepy75]

Originally Posted by bmbob

No, it will be identical to how BMW frozen comes (take a look at the frozen grey's). Leaving out all the carbon bits and gloss parts.

So did you leave the CF and gloss parts unprotected or use the clear xpel?

[bmbob]

Originally Posted by sleepy75

So did you leave the CF and gloss parts unprotected or use the clear xpel?

Yes, clear xpel over all other parts.

[nptguy]

Originally Posted by bmbob

No, it will be identical to how BMW frozen comes (take a look at the frozen grey's). Leaving out all the carbon bits and gloss parts.

Did you wrap the carbon and gloss parts in the clear Xpel or leave them unwrapped? Wrapping mine in stealth tomorrow and having a hard time getting the guy to agree to two types of ppf on one car.

[sleepy75]

Originally Posted by nptguy

Did you wrap the carbon and gloss parts in the clear Xpel or leave them unwrapped? Wrapping mine in stealth tomorrow and having a hard time getting the guy to agree to two types of ppf on one car.

This was answered in the previous post. Can’t figure out why the PPF guy would have an issue doing this. Maybe go with someone else.

[nptguy]

Originally Posted by sleepy75

This was answered in the previous post. Can't figure out why the PPF guy would have an issue doing this. Maybe go with someone else.

Honestly the guy is a mess. Dropped my car off today and reminded him that I wanted Stealth. He told me that he thought that it was clear Xpel (from the above you know that we had the conversation multiple times) and would be 3 more days. This made no sense but I got over it and left my car with him. 2 hours later he texted and said that Stealth was $1500 more than clear, which it isn't from what I hear from others. Then an hour later he told me that he couldn't do the tint because Xpel hadn't designed the tint for G80 yet!

This is a reputable shop owned by the BMW, Audi, Porsche dealer and on the property. I would take my car back and find another shop but work is crazy and I just don't have the time. I want the effing car and I am done waiting so I am going to spend the extra money like an idiot.


Sorry for the rant…