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      07-02-2021, 01:03 PM   #1
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Has anyone gotten a track alignment? Curious what the factory settings were and how much negative camber can be squeezed, if any.

I thought I saw someone say they got -2.0 camber in the front which would be pretty impressive
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      07-17-2021, 09:56 PM   #2
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Not track alignment but to give you a reference point. The shop said that we could go up to -2.5 camber in the rear.
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Not track alignment but to give you a reference point. The shop said that we could go up to -2.5 camber in the rear.
Interesting. Nice to see that we can do -2.0 camber on the stock setup.
I'm not sure I'd want more than the -2.0 camber in the rear anyway because rear grip might become an issue in certain scenarios, but it's good to see what it's possible to tweak that much

It also looks like they gave you zero front toe which is pretty typical for road course and gave you a bit more rear toe than factory alignment. This should help with increased stability under heavy braking.

Will check my alignment next month after the car gets lowered because I had a little movement in the rear under heavy braking at the track so my car might need similar rear toe as yours
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FWIW, ground control expects to have camber plates for the G8x platform by early next year.
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Interesting. Nice to see that we can do -2.0 camber on the stock setup.
I'm not sure I'd want more than the -2.0 camber in the rear anyway because rear grip might become an issue in certain scenarios, but it's good to see what it's possible to tweak that much

It also looks like they gave you zero front toe which is pretty typical for road course and gave you a bit more rear toe than factory alignment. This should help with increased stability under heavy braking.

Will check my alignment next month after the car gets lowered because I had a little movement in the rear under heavy braking at the track so my car might need similar rear toe as yours
Would the toe in also improve take off acceleration or just heavy braking?
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      07-20-2021, 11:17 AM   #6
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Interesting. Nice to see that we can do -2.0 camber on the stock setup.
I'm not sure I'd want more than the -2.0 camber in the rear anyway because rear grip might become an issue in certain scenarios, but it's good to see what it's possible to tweak that much

It also looks like they gave you zero front toe which is pretty typical for road course and gave you a bit more rear toe than factory alignment. This should help with increased stability under heavy braking.

Will check my alignment next month after the car gets lowered because I had a little movement in the rear under heavy braking at the track so my car might need similar rear toe as yours
Would the toe in also improve take off acceleration or just heavy braking?
Positive rear toe makes the rear follow the front tires better and improves stability under heavy braking. You want both of these elements for track use. It doesn't particularly improve acceleration from a stand still since it also creates more drag. Regardless, most manufacturers set up the cars with slight positive rear toe by default and that's a good thing
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These are my Before (1) and After (2) alignment results. (2) is a track alignment for the tracks where I do the majority of my driving. This shop is specifically track oriented, and he was shocked at the front camber delivered by BMW. Since front camber is fixed, there is nothing to be done about it other than camber plates or major front end surgery. Surgery still wouldn't result in ideal camber, so since the car handles beautifully through the turns as is, I have opted to wait for the camber plates.

Anyway, the takeaway here is that if you are going to drive your G80/82 on a track regularly you really should get a proper track alignment, and camber plates STAT.
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These are my Before (1) and After (2) alignment results. (2) is a track alignment for the tracks where I do the majority of my driving. This shop is specifically track oriented, and he was shocked at the front camber delivered by BMW. Since front camber is fixed, there is nothing to be done about it other than camber plates or major front end surgery. Surgery still wouldn't result in ideal camber, so since the car handles beautifully through the turns as is, I have opted to wait for the camber plates.

Anyway, the takeaway here is that if you are going to drive your G80/82 on a track regularly you really should get a proper track alignment.
Interesting that the front and rear camber weere off by that much
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      07-20-2021, 02:37 PM   #9
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These are my Before (1) and After (2) alignment results. (2) is a track alignment for the tracks where I do the majority of my driving. This shop is specifically track oriented, and he was shocked at the front camber delivered by BMW. Since front camber is fixed, there is nothing to be done about it other than camber plates or major front end surgery. Surgery still wouldn't result in ideal camber, so since the car handles beautifully through the turns as is, I have opted to wait for the camber plates.

Anyway, the takeaway here is that if you are going to drive your G80/82 on a track regularly you really should get a proper track alignment, and camber plates STAT.
Yeah, that stock alignment looks terrible.

But why the huge discrepancy in front negative camber even after adjustment? 1.4 left vs 2.2 right

With that said, the fact that we can go to 2 or 2.2 negative camber on stock suspension is still really good. Kudos to BMW for that because previous F platform was much much worse than that. My M2C had negative 1.3 from factory non-adjustable
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      07-20-2021, 04:17 PM   #10
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wow, that is a pretty lousy alignment.

Before taking delivery do you think it's reasonable to request that the dealer produce an alignment sheet?
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These are my Before (1) and After (2) alignment results. (2) is a track alignment for the tracks where I do the majority of my driving. This shop is specifically track oriented, and he was shocked at the front camber delivered by BMW. Since front camber is fixed, there is nothing to be done about it other than camber plates or major front end surgery. Surgery still wouldn't result in ideal camber, so since the car handles beautifully through the turns as is, I have opted to wait for the camber plates.

Anyway, the takeaway here is that if you are going to drive your G80/82 on a track regularly you really should get a proper track alignment, and camber plates STAT.
The front is worst than before the alignment
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FWIW, ground control expects to have camber plates for the G8x platform by early next year.
I had GC camber plates on my f80 and probably wouldn't buy from them again. The Vorshlag camber plates were much better. They didn't get clunky after 2500 miles.
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Anyone as an alignment done on a Xdrive model ? Really curious since lower control arms have different part numbers between RWD and AWD..
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Pretty happy with this, maybe too much rear camber but I'm sure I'll change things around eventually. Lowered.

And this is on G82. Tech is a buddy of mine and they did not have G82 on their computer, only G80... For some reason.
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Pretty happy with this, maybe too much rear camber but I'm sure I'll change things around eventually. Lowered.

And this is on G82. Tech is a buddy of mine and they did not have G82 on their computer, only G80... For some reason.
Thanks for posting. I'm getting my alignment next week. I'm also lowered and also expecting -2.1 or so negative front camber which is very nice for just being lowered on springs.
He gave you quite a bit of front and rear toe in.
I'm going to start with zero front toe, about 0.15 rear toe in and about -1.8 negative rear camber.
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Thanks for posting. I'm getting my alignment next week. I'm also lowered and also expecting -2.1 or so negative front camber which is very nice for just being lowered on springs.
He gave you quite a bit of front and rear toe in.
I'm going to start with zero front toe, about 0.15 rear toe in and about -1.8 negative rear camber.
Mine is more of a street car anyways, I was standing in the bay and told him to center it out and I'll get another one when I do plates this year. Only one more event up here in the north this year.
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FWIW, ground control expects to have camber plates for the G8x platform by early next year.
I had GC camber plates on my f80 and probably wouldn't buy from them again. The Vorshlag camber plates were much better. They didn't get clunky after 2500 miles.
Agree 100% here - I will pick up Vorshlag over GC in the future…
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FWIW, ground control expects to have camber plates for the G8x platform by early next year.
I had GC camber plates on my f80 and probably wouldn't buy from them again. The Vorshlag camber plates were much better. They didn't get clunky after 2500 miles.
Agree 100% here - I will pick up Vorshlag over GC in the futureā€¦
I hated my Vorshlag compared to Millway Street
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Here's my final alignment after MSS HAS we're installed and settled.
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Here's my final alignment after MSS HAS we're installed and settled.
Nice. How low did you go with the MSS? I found the rear MSS springs a little soft for track on my M2C. I can't wait to see your review on track.
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Here's my final alignment after MSS HAS we're installed and settled.
Nice. How low did you go with the MSS? I found the rear MSS springs a little soft for track on my M2C. I can't wait to see your review on track.
Wait I though your car was currently on the mss kit?
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Wait I though your car was currently on the mss kit?
Yep I have the MSS kit installed
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