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      09-26-2020, 07:48 PM   #23
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how fast do you want it? Thats super fast for a stock car for that price range IMO.
The Toyota Supra has a 0-60 of 3.8-3.9 if I'm not mistaken, and that was before they added more hp in the 2021 year
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at 3min10, look about right for manual, 9 to 10 seconds ish. Looks no way it'll be in the 8 second range.
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at 3min10, look about right for manual, 9 to 10 seconds ish. Looks no way it'll be in the 8 second range.
Oh yea... you are absolutely right! I counted 10 seconds! To be fair I am not sure if he is redlining it or not but it looks extremely slow! I am not even sure if bootmod3 or JB4 is gonna help it much...

As a matter of fact, this is slower than a 6 speed manual F80 comp!!! WTF???

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Oh yea... you are absolutely right! I counted 10 seconds! To be fair I am not sure if he is redlining it or not but it looks extremely slow! I am not even sure if bootmod3 or JB4 is gonna help it much...

As a matter of fact, this is slower than a 6 speed manual F80 comp!!! WTF???
It does look slow. It's frustrating, not being able to get the best they have to offer and settling with less hp and way less torque because of their lame excuses of the manual not being able to handle it. Seriously sad that you have to get that soulless automatic to get power. Too bad because I think the car looks great.
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at 3min10, look about right for manual, 9 to 10 seconds ish. Looks no way it'll be in the 8 second range.
He hangs on to 2rd a little too long, plus he short shifts from 4th to 5th where 4th if revved out would have done. Pretty sure at least 0.6s or more could have been shaved off what we see here plus with the 8sp auto you’ll shave enough more off, possibly another 0.4s.

Another thing the manual is only available in the lower 480hp engine with 100Nm less torque all things that will affect its acceleration ability. Pretty sure in its quickest form it will be a lot closer to the M5, maybe not quite the M5 Comp or definitely the regular M5.
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This is all marketing BS by BMW to upsell the AWD package. This is done on purpose to justify the AWD MxDrive, as the marketing plan out of the box was to have the same numbers as the out going F80/82 competition to the G80/82 RWD. Magically for $5k (to add AWD), the 0-60 drops to 3.5 sec. Also, the ECU is locked/has notification for routine service when it is tuned to flag the car. BMW engineers weren't born yesterday, as it's a cat and mouse game with customers trying to get as much power out of a stock S58.
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This is all marketing BS by BMW to upsell the AWD package. This is done on purpose to justify the AWD MxDrive, as the marketing plan out of the box was to have the same numbers as the out going F80/82 competition to the G80/82 RWD. Magically for $5k (to add AWD), the 0-60 drops to 3.5 sec. Also, the ECU is locked/has notification for routine service when it is tuned to flag the car. BMW engineers weren't born yesterday, as it's a cat and mouse game with customers trying to get as much power out of a stock S58.
So what... I am sure people are gonna crack open that ECU very quickly... so it’s gonna be flagged, who cares... I tune this engine, it is only fair for me to be responsible for anything that might break due to my tune... if something else breaks, they will still be liable for the warranty. What else are they gonna do, cancel my oil change appointment?
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This is all marketing BS by BMW to upsell the AWD package. This is done on purpose to justify the AWD MxDrive, as the marketing plan out of the box was to have the same numbers as the out going F80/82 competition to the G80/82 RWD. Magically for $5k (to add AWD), the 0-60 drops to 3.5 sec. Also, the ECU is locked/has notification for routine service when it is tuned to flag the car. BMW engineers weren't born yesterday, as it's a cat and mouse game with customers trying to get as much power out of a stock S58.
Only the manual RWD is 480hp, they are still offering 510hp in RWD but you need to get the auto.
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Let’s wait for the 1/4 mile numbers before rioting
Barely any posts about handling or driving dynamics. I guess the M3/M4 is turning into a drag car.
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Barely any posts about handling or driving dynamics. I guess the M3/M4 is turning into a drag car.
Well, no, but here we discus and complain about acceleration performance!
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He hangs on to 2rd a little too long, plus he short shifts from 4th to 5th where 4th if revved out would have done. Pretty sure at least 0.6s or more could have been shaved off what we see here plus with the 8sp auto you’ll shave enough more off, possibly another 0.4s.

Another thing the manual is only available in the lower 480hp engine with 100Nm less torque all things that will affect its acceleration ability. Pretty sure in its quickest form it will be a lot closer to the M5, maybe not quite the M5 Comp or definitely the regular M5.
No way will the RWD M3C be anywhere close to a M5 as the the M5 has ~12% power to weight advantage.
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No way will the RWD M3C be anywhere close to a M5 as the the M5 has ~12% power to weight advantage.
The F90 M5 is quoted with a best of 7.2s (100-200km/h), 12% power advantage should equal roughly to a time of 8 seconds for a G80 M3 Comp RWD Auto with 510hp.

I still class that as close.
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No way will the RWD M3C be anywhere close to a M5 as the the M5 has ~12% power to weight advantage.
The F90 M5 is quoted with a best of 7.2s (100-200km/h), 12% power advantage should equal roughly to a time of 8.1 seconds for a G80 M3 Comp RWD Auto with 510hp.

I still class that as close.
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This is all marketing BS by BMW to upsell the AWD package. This is done on purpose to justify the AWD MxDrive, as the marketing plan out of the box was to have the same numbers as the out going F80/82 competition to the G80/82 RWD. Magically for $5k (to add AWD), the 0-60 drops to 3.5 sec. Also, the ECU is locked/has notification for routine service when it is tuned to flag the car. BMW engineers weren't born yesterday, as it's a cat and mouse game with customers trying to get as much power out of a stock S58.
So what... I am sure people are gonna crack open that ECU very quickly... so it's gonna be flagged, who cares... I tune this engine, it is only fair for me to be responsible for anything that might break due to my tune... if something else breaks, they will still be liable for the warranty. What else are they gonna do, cancel my oil change appointment?
You gota pay to play, as I had the same attitude as you regarding my S55 Stage II Tune, after a spun crank hub and the cost to get back to factory status of 5 figures, I'm done tuning. BMW NA has been cracking down big time declining "covered warranty claims" due to a tune — this is first hand information that a BMW NA field tech told me. More power to you
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You gota pay to play, as I had the same attitude as you regarding my S55 Stage II Tune, after a spun crank hub and the cost to get back to factory status of 5 figures, I'm done tuning. BMW NA has been cracking down big time declining "covered warranty claims" due to a tune — this is first hand information that a BMW NA field tech told me. More power to you
lol, I feel for you... if that engine ever blows up on me, it will be a sad day for sure... but I think it’s still worth it considering that the chances of something going terribly wrong are usually very remote. Granted I never overdo it and in most cases don’t go past stage 1. Calculated risk is always much more rewarding in life than no risk at all.
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You gota pay to play, as I had the same attitude as you regarding my S55 Stage II Tune, after a spun crank hub and the cost to get back to factory status of 5 figures, I'm done tuning. BMW NA has been cracking down big time declining "covered warranty claims" due to a tune — this is first hand information that a BMW NA field tech told me. More power to you
lol, I feel for you... if that engine ever blows up on me, it will be a sad day for sure... but I think it's still worth it considering that the chances of something going terribly wrong are usually very remote. Granted I never overdo it and in most cases don't go past stage 1. Calculated risk is always much more rewarding in life than no risk at all.
I spoke with my local BMW service manager regarding the S58 in the X3M/X4M, so far no issues. BUT, I know first hand from one of the X3M/X4M M engineers, that the B58 engine for the S58 was delayed and involved an internal fight to get the B58 engine early for S58 development. This is why I feel there is a difference between the X3M/X4M to G80/G82. Lots of BMW gossip when employees have a few beers after a day of track training in Germany.
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lol, I feel for you... if that engine ever blows up on me, it will be a sad day for sure... but I think it’s still worth it considering that the chances of something going terribly wrong are usually very remote. Granted I never overdo it and in most cases don’t go past stage 1. Calculated risk is always much more rewarding in life than no risk at all.
I think with a mild tune all these cars have a cushion already built in but if you push it too high then you are definitely playing with fire. As with @Ibiza I know a mate with an M4 CS who’s engine when pop after the guy that chip tuned it pushed it too far and the repair bill from BMW was over £20K, lucky for him the tuners insurance picked up the bill.
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BUT, I know first hand from one of the X3M/X4M M engineers, that the B58 engine for the S58 was delayed and involved an internal fight to get the B58 engine early for S58 development.
Can your rephrase that? I didn't understand what you were saying and/or what you are hinting at.
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BUT, I know first hand from one of the X3M/X4M M engineers, that the B58 engine for the S58 was delayed and involved an internal fight to get the B58 engine early for S58 development.
Can your rephrase that? I didn't understand what you were saying and/or what you are hinting at.
For the X3M/X4M development, the BMW M engineers wanted the B58 engine so they could start to develop the S58. What I have been told is that the B58 wasn't ready, and apparently BMW M had an internal fight to get the B58 early to start work on the S58. BMW has a 10 year road map, as all new vehicles have a two year test cycle, meaning two winters in Arjeplog, Sweden. Therefore, the engines and chassis are developed years in advance. For example, when I was in Arjeplog, Sweden back February 2019, the G80 had just arrived to start winter testing. I knew it wouldn't be release until 2020.
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For the X3M/X4M development, the BMW M engineers wanted the B58 engine so they could start to develop the S58. What I have been told is that the B58 wasn't ready, and apparently BMW M had an internal fight to get the B58 early to start work on the S58. BMW has a 10 year road map, as all new vehicles have a two year test cycle, meaning two winters in Arjeplog, Sweden. Therefore, the engines and chassis are developed years in advance. For example, when I was in Arjeplog, Sweden back February 2019, the G80 had just arrived to start winter testing. I knew it wouldn't be release until 2020.
Wasn't the B58 launched in production in 2015 : ?

That's a quite a long time before the S58 was launched, leaving plenty of time for the S58 development...
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And 9.5 for a manual.... looks like this thing will need some serious engine tuning
To directly void your guarantee and push the clutch and transmission directly over its max specifications??
You're joking right. There are plenty of F8X's with upgrades turbos, catless dp's and E85 and the clutch and trans are fine lol
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if my stock X3MC can do 0-60 in 3.6s and 11.7 1/4m then the M3/M4 gonna beat that. And those figures are pretty typical for a stock car.
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