[FBF01]

That's a lot of damage for a crash below 50mph...however, hope all is well!!!!

[BMWbiker]

Originally Posted by nalnass

I’d love to hear how any of those ideas would mitigate the risk of black ice! If you think snow tires will help, then I’ve got news for you buddy.

Well, let’s see:

• Winter tires will have more traction on black ice than summer tires.
• A tow vehicle would probably not be equipped with summer tires, and thus would be better equipped for the conditions than your vehicle.
• A delivery truck presumably would not be equipped with summer tires, and thus would be more professionally driven to your location than you driving your summer tire-equipped vehicle.

That pretty much covers your questions.

Summer tires in winter lose the vast majority of their traction, whether on dry pavement, in snow, or on black ice.

If nothing else, why drive a performance vehicle, if you throw away almost all of its handling and braking capabilities with a poor and dangerous choice of tires for the conditions?

Tires are what connect the car to the road. Phish even sings a song about this.

“The tires are the things on your car
That make contact with the road
The tires are the things on your car
That make contact with the road
The tires are the things on your car
That make contact with the road
The car is the thing on the road
That takes you back to your abode

“I woke up one morning in November
And I realized I love you
It's not your headlights in front
Your tailpipe, or the skylight above you
It's the way you cling to the road
When the wind tries to shove you
I'd never go driving away
And come back home without you”

Treat yourself, your fellow man, and your car well. Equip it properly.

[M3N4CE]

Some have successfully been reimbursed by local municipalities for damaged wheels due to potholes that were not fixed in a timely fashion.

Hey OP why not try that logic and try to have the township/city cover the loss.

Better yet, go eat a well done NY Strip steak with a butter nife...

[M2siast]

Originally Posted by M3N4CE

Some have successfully been reimbursed by local municipalities for damaged wheels due to potholes that were not fixed in a timely fashion.

Hey OP why not try that logic and try to have the township/city cover the loss.

Better yet, go eat a well done NY Strip steak with a butter nife...

lol that’ll be rich. Hope he lets us know how that works out.

[MadG82CX]

Fascinating that people drive on summer tires in cold temp and say “oh I drive just 50 mph I’ll be fine”. No you won’t, cheap ass. You are a danger to yourself and other drivers. You spend $100k on the car and don’t have anger $2k for a winter set of tires? Wtf is wrong with this country.

[dtronics]

Can we put this post to bed? The OP is an enthusiast like the rest of us and he learned a lesson, I’m glad he’s okay.

This is now 18 pages of bashing this guy who’s a medical professional working in an ER. Let’s move on.

[dtronics]

Originally Posted by MadG82CX

Fascinating that people drive on summer tires in cold temp and say “oh I drive just 50 mph I’ll be fine”. No you won’t, cheap ass. You are a danger to yourself and other drivers. You spend $100k on the car and don’t have anger $2k for a winter set of tires? Wtf is wrong with this country.

And this country has much bigger problems than someone driving their M3 with summer tires in cold weather.

[BMWbiker]

Originally Posted by dtronics

Can we put this post to bed? The OP is an enthusiast like the rest of us and he learned a lesson, I’m glad he’s okay.

This is now 18 pages of bashing this guy who’s a medical professional working in an ER. Let’s move on.

I disagree. It is not 18 pages of bashing one person. It is eighteen pages of those who try to defend endangering themselves and others by driving unsafely with the wrong equipment, and others trying to persuade people to drive with the correct equipment for the weather, road, and traffic conditions.

[kevo409]

Glad you were able to walk away. Do you think the car buckled in all the right places?

[Jaymelo238]

Guys how many of you guys that are talking all this shit actually have PS4S tires on their cars? I have it on my M2 and M5 with out any issues. My temperatures get down to 35 degrees but I don’t usually drive those cars when it’s gets ice cold. Even when I do drive them in the cold I definitely wait until the tires warm up as I drive. Idk if you guys know but these tires warm up when you keep driving so even in 40 degrees it will go upto 55-60 + degrees after they warm up. I NEVER had traction issues or loss of traction accidentally on any of my cars.

The guy slipped on Black Ice and there is nothing you can do about that, idc what tires you put on. Period.

[M2siast]

Originally Posted by Jaymelo238

Guys how many of you guys that are talking all this shit actually have PS4S tires on their cars? I have it on my M2 and M5 with out any issues. My temperatures get down to 35 degrees but I don’t usually drive those cars when it’s gets ice cold. Even when I do drive them in the cold I definitely wait until the tires warm up. Idk if you guys know but these tires warm up when you keep driving so even in 40 degrees it will go upto 55-60 + degrees after they warm up. I NEVER had traction issues or loss of traction accidentally on any of my cars.

The guy slipped on Black Ice and there is nothing you can do about that, idc what tires you put on. Period.

Teach us how to warm tires without driving. Do you rub them?

And, yes, winter tires is something you can do about winter driving conditions. Period.

[Jaymelo238]

Originally Posted by M2siast

Teach us how to warm tires without driving. Do you rub them?

And, yes, winter tires is something you can do about winter driving conditions. Period.

They warm up as I drive the car. That’s what I meant.

Winter tires won’t save you from black ice , unless the tires crack through the ice. There is no traction on black ice.

Like I said when I drive them in the cold , I get my tires warm enough to even think about picking up speed. I never had traction issues and I don’t drive my cars in freezing temperatures.

Freezing temps and cold temps are different.

[M2siast]

Originally Posted by Jaymelo238

They warm up as I drive the car. That’s what I meant.

Winter tires won’t save you from black ice , unless the tires crack through the ice. There is not traction on black ice.

Like I said when I drive them in the cold , I get my tires warm enough to even think about picking up speed. I never had traction issues and I don’t drive my cars in freezing temperatures.

Freezing temps and cold temps are different.

That’s the thing though…
You have to drive to warm up the tires. You can’t warm up the tires without driving. You drive, you crash. So, if you have to drive before you warm up, you can crash while driving before you drive.

And I’m not going to debate whether winter tires work on ice or not. Kind of interesting some people still don’t understand winter tires exist… a video was posted once or twice already in this thread, I highly recommend watching it/them to learn about winter tires, for folks that live in places that don’t allow them to experience winter tires first hand (perhaps because the weather is mild).

[Jaymelo238]

Originally Posted by M2siast

That’s the thing though…
You have to drive to warm up the tires. You can’t warm up the tires without driving. You drive, you crash. So, if you have to drive before you warm up, you can crash while driving before you drive.

And I’m not going to debate whether winter tires work on ice or not. Kind of interesting some people still don’t understand winter tires exist… a video was posted once or twice already in this thread, I highly recommend watching it/them to learn about winter tires, for folks that live in places that don’t allow them to experience winter tires first hand (perhaps because the weather is mild).

The thing is man I wouldn’t recommend driving the car in freezing temps at all. All I am saying is that driving in the cold is okay as long as it’s above 40-45 degrees. I drive 5-10 miles under the speed limit or even 15 miles under until the tires warm up. These cars are engineered to catch traction , not lose traction. Especially the new M’s with their engineering. Obviously stay safe out there, I have had M’s all my life and currently have 3 of them all 2023 and up. These are incredible cars just treat them right according to the conditions and be safe out there!

[Alfadreamer]

Ice Tires help on Black Ice and good in snow. I’ve had a few sets. Quite surprising. Better than studded snows. I’ve had those too. Less traction than most tires in other conditions.

[MadG82CX]

Originally Posted by Jaymelo238

The thing is man I wouldn’t recommend driving the car in freezing temps at all. All I am saying is that driving in the cold is okay as long as it’s above 40-45 degrees. I drive 5-10 miles under the speed limit or even 15 miles under until the tires warm up. These cars are engineered to catch traction , not lose traction. Especially the new M’s with their engineering. Obviously stay safe out there, I have had M’s all my life and currently have 3 of them all 2023 and up. These are incredible cars just treat them right according to the conditions and be safe out there!

America needs better driving schools.

I drive my car all year round, I swap summer tires with winter tires November-April. Last winter one day it was -20c (-4f) here in NYC and my car handled it brilliantly. You do know that these cars get tested in way colder conditions, right?

[KevinGS]

Originally Posted by Jaymelo238

The thing is man I wouldn’t recommend driving the car in freezing temps at all.

All year round, no matter the temperature, every M car I have ever owned... And one of them is a convertible I still own - drive it all the time straight through the winter. Hec, I plan and take wintertime trips.

[Jaymelo238]

Originally Posted by KevinGS

All year round, no matter the temperature, every M car I have ever owned... And one of them is a convertible I still own - drive it all the time straight through the winter. Hec, I plan and take wintertime trips.

Yeah I meant driving summer tires or PS4S in freezing temperatures. Of course if you have winter tires then you can drive them below freezing!

[omasou]

Originally Posted by Jaymelo238

Guys how many of you guys that are talking all this shit actually have PS4S tires on their cars? I have it on my M2 and M5 with out any issues. My temperatures get down to 35 degrees but I don’t usually drive those cars when it’s gets ice cold. Even when I do drive them in the cold I definitely wait until the tires warm up as I drive. Idk if you guys know but these tires warm up when you keep driving so even in 40 degrees it will go upto 55-60 + degrees after they warm up. I NEVER had traction issues or loss of traction accidentally on any of my cars.

The guy slipped on Black Ice and there is nothing you can do about that, idc what tires you put on. Period.

I have PSS on my M2C and common sense not to drive them below 50 like the manufacturer recommends.

One year when I had my E36M3, it was late October before I got around to putting on my winter tires. When I stacked the summer tires, I noticed there was frozen water, yes ice IN the soft compound. I was driving on frozen tires.