[G30M]

will they test the Touring?

Hagerty says the Touring is better than the CSL

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by g21

will they test the Touring?

Hagerty says the Touring is better than the CSL

The Touring is not available in the US, so C&D is unlikely to test it.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Jackie Chiles

The C&D test car had Pirellis. Would it have been faster on track with Michelins? If so, how much faster?

The lightning lap was done with PS4S.

[YKIGI]

BMW was always extremely fast through the turns and under braking. Now people are getting excited over 0-60 and quarter mile times on an AWD that’s too heavy to carve up a good lap. Ok.

[DO444]

Originally Posted by curtdragon

Who doesn't lack a bit of self control?
I feel like anyone buying a BMW lacks some

I ding 100 every day in mine, whenever I drive, and I make sure to take roads that allow me to do so.

This car is way more fun than I thought it would be. It’s just so blisteringly quick both up and down the speedo.

It feels so confident at speed.

[DO444]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

The RS3 was on very sticky Trofoe-R R-Comp tires (equivalent to PSC2R) for that lightning lap.

I’ll never understand why all magazines do not control for tires.

It’s ridiculous.

[Fugly M3]

Originally Posted by DO444

I’ll never understand why all magazines do not control for tires.

It’s ridiculous.

Budget.

[BEAR-AvHistory]

Originally Posted by DO444

I’ll never understand why all magazines do not control for tires.

It’s ridiculous.

Because they road test what you will get if you buy one, not a modified car. Its random some M3/4 win the Michlen lottery & some don't PS4S.

For Lightning Laps any optional tire that the car can be bought with from the list is used. Key there is the tire must be on the option list.

Non standard or non optional tires are a modification. So if my BMW comes home & I don't like the tires I can go out & spend $1500 for my personal choice of tires. Thats a modification which I have done.

The rabbit hole is you might spend $1500 for better tires while I might spend the $1500 for a JB4 & a tune. Just another type of $1500 modification.

Where does it stop to get a fair comparison of the car as delivered from the factory? As opposed to how fast can we make this car go for X dollars,

[Forzanerazzurri]

Originally Posted by Jackie Chiles

The C&D test car had Pirellis. Would it have been faster on track with Michelins? If so, how much faster?

Lol

[cfm56d7b]

Originally Posted by Tyga11

Best car on the planet

This might very well be the most accurate statement.

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

definitely puts up good numbers. GTR fast in the 1/4 mile and 1g in the skidpad. surprising that car and driver couldn't get a better time out of it at lightning lap as it placed #66 and behind the new RS3.

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...storical-data/

Rs3 had cheat mode tires

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by Jackie Chiles

The C&D test car had Pirellis. Would it have been faster on track with Michelins? If so, how much faster?

It would of been the Pirellis suck

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by DO444

I’ll never understand why all magazines do not control for tires.

It’s ridiculous.

For a track test, magazines usually test with the best OE track tire option that you can get from the factory. In the case of the RS3, it can be ordered with the Trofeo-R, hence why it was tested with them. In the same way, the M4 CSL was tested with the PSC2R. At least, for the RS3, C&D also published the time the RS3 did with the PZ4. In Europe, most track tests of the M3/4 are done with optional PSC2. I am not sure why BMW USA has elected not to offer the PSC2 in their market for the M3/4. Even in Canada, we can order the PSC2 on the G8X from the factory.

[antzcrashing]

AWD comp confirmed. Do. Want.

[genebike]

Originally Posted by YKIGI

BMW was always extremely fast through the turns and under braking. Now people are getting excited over 0-60 and quarter mile times on an AWD that’s too heavy to carve up a good lap. Ok.

I’m so glad someone finally mentioned this. I read the whole article and aside from gushing over the straight line speed, no other performance was mentioned. These used to be drivers cars…not ugly drag specialists.

[CanAutM3]

The results are very similar to the M4xDrive they had previously tested. The M4 was tested with the PS4S and the M3 matched it in the 0-60mph, and both are pretty evenly matched on the skidpad and in braking, so the grip of the M3’s PZ4 is clearly not an issue. The M4 being slightly lighter and with less drag (due to a smaller frontal area) is slightly faster on the top end. There are no surprises here.

[M3N4CE]

Originally Posted by curtdragon

Who doesn't lack a bit of self control?
I feel like anyone buying a BMW lacks some

I enjoy the process of going 0 to 80 without blinking. Also enjoy turns, on-ramps/ off-ramps without breaking. And I definitely lack quite a bit of self control so...BMW it is for me!

[Ed_P]

Originally Posted by YKIGI

BMW was always extremely fast through the turns and under braking. Now people are getting excited over 0-60 and quarter mile times on an AWD that’s too heavy to carve up a good lap. Ok.

Originally Posted by genebike

I’m so glad someone finally mentioned this. I read the whole article and aside from gushing over the straight line speed, no other performance was mentioned. These used to be drivers cars…not ugly drag specialists.

Not having driven an AWD version of the M3/M4, I couldn't speak to how it feels from the driver's seat compared to its RWD siblings. Perhaps the extra weight in the AWD platform is noticeable and detracts from the driving experience. If someone has real world experience, I'd like to hear, because I'm halfway through my lease. But FWIW, the published lap times indicate that AWD is not a liability and in some cases, may produce slightly quicker times.

Of course, when you're comparing luxury street cars turning laps at a noncompetition track day event, and the delta between them with the same driver *might* be 1 second a lap, you also need to stop and ask, "who cares?"

[PLF69]

Originally Posted by Ed_P

Not having driven an AWD version of the M3/M4, I couldn't speak to how it feels from the driver's seat compared to its RWD siblings. Perhaps the extra weight in the AWD platform is noticeable and detracts from the driving experience. If someone has real world experience, I'd like to hear, because I'm halfway through my lease. But FWIW, the published lap times indicate that AWD is not a liability and in some cases, may produce slightly quicker times.

Of course, when you're comparing luxury street cars turning laps at a noncompetition track day event, and the delta between them with the same driver *might* be 1 second a lap, you also need to stop and ask, "who cares?"

I find the RWD version much more enjoyable than the AWD version but it's not a fair comparison since M4C Vert vs CSL, I will be receiving a 6MT M3 at the end of this month so should be interesting to compare.

BMW did such a good job that the only real drawback from the heavier AWD version is running cost aka tires and brakes and later on axles, diffs etc if your regularly pushing it on track. I have other AWD SUVs for daily stuff so I prefer having a RWD car as a fun car even if it isn't the absolute fastest but I understand for ppl looking for the do everything car the G8X is the ultimate offering on the market now.

[Ilyam5]

Originally Posted by genebike

I’m so glad someone finally mentioned this. I read the whole article and aside from gushing over the straight line speed, no other performance was mentioned. These used to be drivers cars…not ugly drag specialists.

What are you talking about? Just watch the video. Audi rs3 is 7:40 by the way

[curtdragon]

Originally Posted by Ed_P

Not having driven an AWD version of the M3/M4, I couldn't speak to how it feels from the driver's seat compared to its RWD siblings. Perhaps the extra weight in the AWD platform is noticeable and detracts from the driving experience. If someone has real world experience, I'd like to hear, because I'm halfway through my lease. But FWIW, the published lap times indicate that AWD is not a liability and in some cases, may produce slightly quicker times.

Of course, when you're comparing luxury street cars turning laps at a noncompetition track day event, and the delta between them with the same driver *might* be 1 second a lap, you also need to stop and ask, "who cares?"

Originally Posted by PLF69

I find the RWD version much more enjoyable than the AWD version but it's not a fair comparison since M4C Vert vs CSL, I will be receiving a 6MT M3 at the end of this month so should be interesting to compare.

BMW did such a good job that the only real drawback from the heavier AWD version is running cost aka tires and brakes and later on axles, diffs etc if your regularly pushing it on track. I have other AWD SUVs for daily stuff so I prefer having a RWD car as a fun car even if it isn't the absolute fastest but I understand for ppl looking for the do everything car the G8X is the ultimate offering on the market now.

There's some extra weight yes but having the ability to switch from AWD to RWD is pretty cool

[PLF69]

Originally Posted by curtdragon

There's some extra weight yes but having the ability to switch from AWD to RWD is pretty cool

It is and I tested it a lot on and off track but unfortunately you cannot drive with all nannies ON in RWD mode in your AWD car and the traction control adjustable levels is pretty much only good for straighline or doing donuts. If you have the driving skills of driving with everything off all the time then I agree the AWD feature can be a huge advantage in some situations. They would of probably have sold a shit load of Manual AWD cars, seriously.