[mckman]

California will still allow sales of Plug In Hybrids after 2035. You will be able to buy an ICE car but it will have a battery attached.

Also, all of the neighboring states will likely still be selling ICE only cars in 2035 if manufacturers are still making them. Sales tax agreements and federal interstate commerce laws make a car sold in a neighboring state easy to register in CA.

If the market is strong for ICE and especially hybrids (which don't have much of a downside) the market can still vote for what they prefer and what makes sense in spite of the 2035 regulations.

BMW probably wants manufacturing close to HQ for the Neu Klasse. There are plenty of other plants that can produce ICE or hybrid vehicles.

Just because BMW is investing in EV tech and production capabilities doesn't mean they have abandoned ICE.

[SW19]

One of the biggest problems with EV's is the huge weight penalty from the batteries.This makes no sense if you want a light agile sports car.Who wants to feel like they are driving a tank every day.IMO it is not a technology that will be around very long.It just isn't effecient enough and is terrible for the evironment.Just look at the environmental impact of the massive mining operations for the lithium and rare earth minerals that go into these cars.They aren't fun to drive and the artificial outside noise they are now coming with sounds like crap.You would think that a manufacturer like BMW could at least come up with a nice ICE exhaust sound to provide some kind of excitement when driving these dull vehichles.Thank goodness i was able code out that terrible outside noise with Bimmercode on my fathers new Mini Cooper SE.

[Chappers 71]

Originally Posted by SW19

One of the biggest problems with EV's is the huge weight penalty from the batteries.This makes no sense if you want a light agile sports car.Who wants to feel like they are driving a tank every day.IMO it is not a technology that will be around very long.It just isn't effecient enough and is terrible for the evironment.Just look at the environmental impact of the massive mining operations for the lithium and rare earth minerals that go into these cars.They aren't fun to drive and the artificial outside noise they are now coming with sounds like crap.You would think that a manufacturer like BMW could at least come up with a nice ICE exhaust sound to provide some kind of excitement when driving these dull vehichles.Thank goodness i was able code out that terrible outside noise with Bimmercode on my fathers new Mini Cooper SE.

[Travis]

“Look at my eight horse carraiage. Aren’t they beautiful? Why would anybody buy this ugly and slow thing called ‘car’?”

[r3dbimmer89]

Originally Posted by Travis

“Look at my eight horse carraiage. Aren’t they beautiful? Why would anybody buy this ugly and slow thing called ‘car’?”

[JJacksonIII]

Originally Posted by SW19

One of the biggest problems with EV's is the huge weight penalty from the batteries.This makes no sense if you want a light agile sports car.Who wants to feel like they are driving a tank every day.IMO it is not a technology that will be around very long.It just isn't effecient enough and is terrible for the evironment.Just look at the environmental impact of the massive mining operations for the lithium and rare earth minerals that go into these cars.They aren't fun to drive and the artificial outside noise they are now coming with sounds like crap.You would think that a manufacturer like BMW could at least come up with a nice ICE exhaust sound to provide some kind of excitement when driving these dull vehichles.Thank goodness i was able code out that terrible outside noise with Bimmercode on my fathers new Mini Cooper SE.

Everyone referencing the environmental impact of huge mining operations for rare metals... Forgetting what goes into getting oil from the ground? The Valdez spill, the BP oil spill, tens of thousands of other oil spills? What goes into the manufacturing of the platforms and rigs needed to pull the crude up? And the manufacturing of the shipping vessels to then ship it all to refineries.. and then from the refineries to the gas stations... And then when the gas is shipped to it's final destination, go ahead and burn it all... Seriously? We don't yet think there might be a better way?

[zinner]

Autoline After hours had a good segment called "The end of affordable cars" . Most of the debate is first order effects of such gov't mandates and forced transitions. The second and third order effects are going to be the "unintended consequences" we always see when the gov't moves away from laissez faire to a more authoritarian role in the economy. I am sad to see BMW move away from ICE cause it will mean the end of motorsports and they are a huge player with BMW CCA club racing and DE's.

[Krids1229]

Originally Posted by zinner

Autoline After hours had a good segment called "The end of affordable cars" . . I am sad to see BMW move away from ICE cause it will mean the end of motorsports and they are a huge player with BMW CCA club racing and DE's.

How does this have anything to do with BEV?

[Krids1229]

Originally Posted by JJacksonIII

Everyone referencing the environmental impact of huge mining operations for rare metals... Forgetting what goes into getting oil from the ground? The Valdez spill, the BP oil spill, tens of thousands of other oil spills? What goes into the manufacturing of the platforms and rigs needed to pull the crude up? And the manufacturing of the shipping vessels to then ship it all to refineries.. and then from the refineries to the gas stations... And then when the gas is shipped to it's final destination, go ahead and burn it all... Seriously? We don't yet think there might be a better way?

So many examples conveniently forgotten, and largely no one is held accountable for the disasters.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalamazoo_River_oil_spill

[BMthusiast]

This is like when The Sopranos ended.

[Th3DarkSide]

Originally Posted by Cortexiphan

You're commenting under the news that it's already happening, and decided. BMW's factory is being re-built so that they will only build EVs. Same with VW, Mercedes Benz, and all others. All the EU countries and U.S. put in place deadlines for ICE sales. And especially in Northern Europe, EV sales are already approaching 50% of new car sales.
And you still call it a fantasy. So you believe, they will all need to go back to build ICE engines huh? I wonder who's in the fantasyland

Destructive political propaganda aimed at uneducated and/or intellectually deficient and/or people who are incapable of diversifying their news sources - is the biggest problem of our time and the biggest obstacle towards progress.

I’m am under no such delusions and was waiting with bated breath for you to pop in. The EV lover. What I will say is that these ridiculous “timelines” will continue to be pushed back time and again. This is where fantasyland comes into play. Ice is not going away in my (our?) lifetimes!

[Th3DarkSide]

Originally Posted by G35POPPEDMYCHERRY

you spend to much time on the internet and thus you have this defense mechanism of anything contrary to your views you say "i follow a certain type of media"

Ive heard many plans and promises from countries, corporations, and people. They are rarely every accomplished and sometimes accomplished by killing the host.

So BMW is only going to sell a majority of EV cars in 2027. Where they gunna plug them in? How are people gunna buy them, people can barely afford cars as is. What about other countries than posh suburbia? What about cities? BMW is a major automobile manufacturer. Tesla is boutique compared to BMW.

at any rate, I support EV and honestly don't care if BMW choses to go fully EV. I'll just buy another car.

but I will admit the article says ONLY full EV vechicles in 2027 so I guess what I said according to BMW is not correct. But we will see.

you seem to have an axe to grind calling everyone brainwashed by political outlets and propaganda. But to think unless massive infrastructure is up rooted and changed within the next 10 years that a state can ban the sale of new ICE is a pipedream at best.

not everyone who thinks differently than you is "brainwashed" by the media. I think we should probably go majority EV, but these timelines are just snake oil until the government puts their money where their mouth is and start having massive infrastructure changes.

are we also going to ignore how the majority of our electricity is generated?

Like I said above. So many people live in Fantasyland. He’s DEFINITELY one of them 😂

[JJacksonIII]

Originally Posted by zinner

Autoline After hours had a good segment called "The end of affordable cars" . Most of the debate is first order effects of such gov't mandates and forced transitions. The second and third order effects are going to be the "unintended consequences" we always see when the gov't moves away from laissez faire to a more authoritarian role in the economy. I am sad to see BMW move away from ICE cause it will mean the end of motorsports and they are a huge player with BMW CCA club racing and DE's.

Electric motors are still motors

[TargaM2]

Bold move….won’t make much difference to us in Australia, we have zero EV infrastructure & are decades away from ICE being phased out, hybrids yes but full EV’s nope. We will just continue to buy from other manufacturers.
Man that new 3 series looks like shite btw.

[odiesback]

BMW - Bye Motor Works

[440i6MT]

Originally Posted by Cortexiphan

It's not something to agree or disagree on.
It's happening, it will happen.

Also, mining cobalt and lithium is bad for environment, but not nearly as bad as hundreds of millions of cars constantly putting exhaust gas in the air. Not even a percent of that. If you don't believe me, get in a garage, close the door, and turn on your engine. It's really not that great. Or, you can just pickup an elementary school science textbook to learn about greenhouse effect.

And 'no one wants these cars'? Seriously? Seems like you're getting your science & market news from political outlets.

No. No one wants these cars.

Before you throw data at me (sales figures), the holistic point I'm making is no one wants an artificial, state-controlled market. We want a free market. In a free market, we might hypothetically arrive at 17% of all vehicles being EV. I assume you like having options & being able to choose the vehicle you can drive, the clothes you wear, the food you eat, etc... This is not the Soviet Union.

I'm actually looking forward to the day blue clothing is outlawed in the name of an agenda, rather than allowing the free market to create its own sustainable alternatives. That sounds like a bright future.

Allow the free marketplace of ideas and information to flourish, and if the populace deems electric cars a viable option, so be it. If they do not, so be it. Let the people decide, not a small elected (or appointed) bundle of bureaucrats decide policy affecting millions of people.

[Krids1229]

Originally Posted by 440i6MT

No. No one wants these cars.

Before you throw data at me (sales figures), the holistic point I'm making is no one wants an artificial, state-controlled market. We want a free market. In a free market, we might hypothetically arrive at 17% of all vehicles being EV. I assume you like having options & being able to choose the vehicle you can drive, the clothes you wear, the food you eat, etc... This is not the Soviet Union.

I'm actually looking forward to the day blue clothing is outlawed in the name of an agenda, rather than allowing the free market to create its own sustainable alternatives. That sounds like a bright future.

Allow the free marketplace of ideas and information to flourish, and if the populace deems electric cars a viable option, so be it. If they do not, so be it. Let the people decide, not a small elected (or appointed) bundle of bureaucrats decide policy affecting millions of people.

Yeah, damn bureaucrats took away my leaded paint and leaded gasoline too.

And don’t worry, once we get a few more degrees of warming, you won’t need a shirt at all.

But I hear that with the future raging wildfires, blue masks are better than red ones to filter out the soot.


Pretty sure the market will decide - and China is already helping that out.
So yeah, the commies are there.

[odiesback]

Originally Posted by 440i6MT

No. No one wants these cars.

Before you throw data at me (sales figures), the holistic point I'm making is no one wants an artificial, state-controlled market. We want a free market. In a free market, we might hypothetically arrive at 17% of all vehicles being EV. I assume you like having options & being able to choose the vehicle you can drive, the clothes you wear, the food you eat, etc... This is not the Soviet Union.

I'm actually looking forward to the day blue clothing is outlawed in the name of an agenda, rather than allowing the free market to create its own sustainable alternatives. That sounds like a bright future.

Allow the free marketplace of ideas and information to flourish, and if the populace deems electric cars a viable option, so be it. If they do not, so be it. Let the people decide, not a small elected (or appointed) bundle of bureaucrats decide policy affecting millions of people.

THIS 100%

If EVs were so good, governments wouldn’t be pushing it so hard contrary to natural marketability of it.

EV is based on ideologies and not markets.

[G35POPPEDMYCHERRY]

some people are so convicted about EV. I would hope your stock portfolio is 100% as ewll

[Krids1229]

Originally Posted by G35POPPEDMYCHERRY

some people are so convicted about EV. I would hope your stock portfolio is 100% as ewll

Forget that man - smart money is on Big Oil.

Those boys know what they’re doing. Government handouts - socialism for the businesses, cold capitalism for the peasants.


“It’s not just the US: according to the International Energy Agency, fossil fuel handouts hit a global high of $1 trillion in 2022 – the same year Big Oil pulled in a record $4 trillion of income. “

That’s some sweet math.

Can big oil be my step-dad? You guys are the brainwashed ones

https://www.budget.senate.gov/chairman/newsroom/press/sen-whitehouse-on-fossil-fuel-subsidies-we-are-subsidizing-the-danger-#:~:text=It's%20not%20just%20the%20US,to%20the%20f ossil%20fuel%20industry.

[Rat_House]

Got my popcorn ready to watch their demise. Investing in a trend that’s not organic always ends up in failure.

[Travis]

On the contrary I had the chance to pick i5 or 530i and I chose EV with no regret. Don’t say the market is not there, that is ignorance. Look at how many Tesla have been sold last year.