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I haven't had a chance to drive the ZF auto yet, but I can echo the comments that with the 6MT the torque curve of the S58 is much gentler on the low end than I was expecting. It actually makes the car very comfortable around town and suits the character of the car well.
But as soon as you hit a nice stretch of road, one downshift turns it into an absolute beast I've always enjoyed the anticipation of a well selected gear change and throttle input more than just matting the throttle and hoping the auto picks the right gear in time. So yes, the auto will be "faster" but less engaging for some.
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Not exactly.
This engine is dead below 3000 rpm (both automatic and manual), and this is nothing new. After that, the boost comes but the power delivery is very flat, dull, boring, no kick in the seat, you feel that the engine could do a lot more but is limited. You can downshift but the engine still works on the same flat range of torque, almost nothing changes. And no, it's nothing remotely close to an NA engine, it's just boring, you don't feel the kick of a turbo or the nastiness of an NA. It's not very exciting to me, you feel like you're waiting for something to happen, but nothing does. It's not a transmission issue, the manual stick is always a joy, but it would feel even better with a stronger torque delivery. Nothing a tune can't fix. Just compare the acceleration times between the manual F82 and the manual G82, the G82 in 4th gear is as fast as the F82... in 5th gear |
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For me, I'm thinking the base G80 will feel substantially slower than my CS.
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I will my car on Friday and see if this really applies. On the other hand, I will anyway be blown away as I'm driving a bloody Citroen C2 since 3 months |
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On my 6mt there is some "lag" until around 2000rpm, after that it starts pushing very lineary and predictably. I find the throttle modulation excellent and it will be a blast to use on a track as you can really dance around with the pedal and achieve what you are looking for. At 6th gear, 3000rpm and driving at around 150kmh you tap the throttle and it propels forward. I am still in break-in so no experiences at revs above 3800. I plan to increase the rpm as I am getting closer to the service.
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I had a chance to drive the 6 speed, as many had mentioned it's all about driver engagement. This is my 1st M with auto, main reason being wife wanted to experience it lol. I am leasing so it's fine. However if I was keeping her long term it definitely would be manual. Could care less about power, or zero to sixty speed, it's all about the feel IMO.
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In my experience none at all, it’s like riding a bike
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That JB4 is pretty tempting
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I'll wait to see what flash tunes are out when they crack the DME. I'm about to go into production so I still got 8 weeks before delivery and then I plan on driving the car for 2 months (minimum) before tuning.
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I fear that true flash tunes won't be out by at least 18-24 months at the earliest. We'll see.
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I think the right question here is, how much faster will the manual transmission cars be once the competition tune will become available on them... 😅 We all know that in proper hands the slush box cannot be faster than the manual. 😁
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Maybe you're used to dull cars, drive (like a man, of course!) an M3 with S55 (or try the full power S58) and you'll understand the difference between a strong power delivery and a dull one, and what does it mean 'to be pushed into the seat'. What you define 'a damn quick car' (and it is, of course) is slower than the predecessor and you clearly notice that. Only for real men tough. SPOILER WARNING: Even a Miata slips the tires when you change gears 'like a man'. Last edited by VIERsr; 04-14-2021 at 01:11 AM.. |
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VIERsr You’re the first person I’ve ever come across who complains about a flat torque curve. The G8x MT feels a bit weak in the lower RPM ranges (sub-3000), but it’s very strong at higher revs and pulls all the way to redline in a way the old S55 cars never quite did. The powerband is satisfyingly linear and feels surprisingly NA-like. I’m surprised that you’re underwhelmed with the 2nd/3rd gear full throttle redline experience, coming from an M2C. It’s quite a bit faster and definitely pushes you in the back. Definitely not what I would call a “boring” power delivery.
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Acceleration 80-120 km/h in 4th/5th with manual transmission: F80: 3.5s/4.2s G80: 4.1s/5.6s F87C: 3.3s/4s (<- smaller wheels, so slightly shorter gear ratios) This means that if you accelerate to full throttle with the new M3 in 4th gear, you're as fast (or 'pushed in the seat') as the old M3 in 5th. Fast? Depends. Engaging? Well, not for me. That's not to say the car is slow or bad to drive, it's great and the manual gearbox is amazing, but if you're looking for that kick in the ass of a turbo engine, you'll be disappointed with this detuned engine. Just as if you are looking for an endless top-end, well this is not an NA engine (just like the s55 obviously isn't or any other turbo engine). But I don't think you buy this car for that, the purpose of the manual transmission is something else, just be aware of your purchase |
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