04-12-2021, 10:58 AM | #1 |
Major
896
Rep 1,075
Posts |
How much slower is the base model than the Competition model?
Now that people had time to test drive some cars – has anyone driven both back to back?
I drove a manual but did not have a chance to drive an auto. Lack of Low end torque is really noticeable in a manual. You have to drive it like you stole it to get performance out of the car at regular street speeds. Car still shines in braking and cornering where I think they are equal but acceleration is the question. Most tests do one or the other with majority concentrating on competition model, but these factors will really play a role in track time and straight line: - 100lb deficit in torque - 30Hp deficit in power - Taller gears in manual - Fewer gears in manual - Slower shifting in manual |
04-12-2021, 12:30 PM | #3 | |
Lieutenant
746
Rep 596
Posts |
Quote:
There is a huge difference (more than I expected) between engine modes. "Efficient" can feel kind of dull, sport+ is noticeably more responsive and feels a lot more powerful. |
|
Appreciate
1
nathanm4683.00 |
04-12-2021, 02:26 PM | #4 |
Brigadier General
5299
Rep 3,056
Posts |
With respect, I don't understand the point of this post. Wanna know how much slower it is? A LOT.
The engine is down tuned and you have to manually shift. Therefore, not only does it take longer to shift but you lose boost while doing so when you take your foot off the throttle. Every one of us who chooses a manual already knows this. We choose it because it's fun.
__________________
Fire Orange 6MT G80 (Miss July, 2021 Cover of Bimmerpost)
SMB M3 CS (gone) YMB F80 6MT (gone) |
Appreciate
11
|
04-12-2021, 02:33 PM | #5 |
Captain
1124
Rep 788
Posts |
None of those things matter when you have the 3rd pedal, if you are chasing lap times for competition use, get the "competition" version. If you're a red light or freeway on ramp warrior just buy a tesla.
|
Appreciate
4
|
04-12-2021, 02:35 PM | #6 | |
Lieutenant Colonel
1429
Rep 1,522
Posts |
Quote:
On the other hand, during none of the first test it was really criticised that the engine misses ooomphs beneath 3000rpm. In the contrary, there are much references to a more progressive and stronger engine experience all together. To be honest, I don't understand this. With the published torque curves, I would have expected this to be much more of an issue. Your comment is the first clear reference to a possible "issue". |
|
Appreciate
0
|
04-12-2021, 02:38 PM | #7 |
Brigadier General
5943
Rep 3,292
Posts |
I second Frankie. Going from my DCT M2C to the 6MT G80, my expectation was that it, and I, would be slower. After a month with it, my MT skills are settled back in and so has the enjoyment of driving that I'd been missing for the last 8 years.
|
Appreciate
8
frankiebones5299.00 lch6257111.00 6spd4lyfe11.50 Kinglagos27.00 unfoundnemo1909.00 kingmonkeyjr454.50 evanescent031033.00 maelfyn156.50 |
04-12-2021, 02:51 PM | #8 | |
Major
2623
Rep 1,477
Posts
Drives: BMW M2
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Zurich
|
Quote:
I recorded some pulls if you want to check how it goes, but it's not really the car that pushes you into the seat. |
|
Appreciate
1
Wheelwright462.50 |
04-12-2021, 03:06 PM | #9 |
Colonel
381
Rep 2,588
Posts |
Who cares: manual, straight six, bmw M. 0-60 times matter ZERO to me. I chose the "base" M3 and could buy the Comp - its basically the same price. I find it awesome that I can now have a MT sedan (i.e. somewhat practical) that looks menacing, is built by Germans, has awesome new tech, and hauls ass. The perfect work car. I believe that is the real magic here WORK SEDAN with a MT.
If I am going for 0-60 or even 1/4 mile times, I am not buying an M3/4 Comp for that purpose. A ton of better cars for that effort than a G80/82. |
04-12-2021, 03:12 PM | #10 | |
First Lieutenant
666
Rep 384
Posts |
Quote:
Camaro, Mustang, 911 and BMW M
__________________
2023 992 4 GTS
2023 G80 6MT incoming 2022 Macan GTS 2021 G80 6MT sold |
|
Appreciate
1
evanescent031033.00 |
04-12-2021, 03:14 PM | #12 |
First Lieutenant
666
Rep 384
Posts |
I am a little surprised as to why BMW did not give us the possibility of no lift shift. Not a deal breaker but would have been nice.
__________________
2023 992 4 GTS
2023 G80 6MT incoming 2022 Macan GTS 2021 G80 6MT sold |
Appreciate
2
frankiebones5299.00 Vintage380.50 |
04-12-2021, 03:19 PM | #13 |
Major
896
Rep 1,075
Posts |
I’m as excited to drive a manual car as the next guy and not questioning the involvement aspect.
Point is – it’s the first time BMw is giving us 3 different variants of the same car that are dramatically different – manual base, auto RWd and Auto AWD So one would wonder should we have 3 different stats for all the performance measurements. How different will Nurburgring times be? What about smaller tracks? 0-60 is understandable but on the long track Manual might have some advantages of lower weight, less drag, etc. |
Appreciate
1
evanescent031033.00 |
04-12-2021, 03:36 PM | #14 | |
First Lieutenant
666
Rep 384
Posts |
Quote:
In the past, Competition models have had entirely different suspensions, exhaust systems and in some cases completely different engines. The similarity in price reflects it.
__________________
2023 992 4 GTS
2023 G80 6MT incoming 2022 Macan GTS 2021 G80 6MT sold |
|
Appreciate
0
|
04-12-2021, 03:36 PM | #15 |
Brigadier General
5299
Rep 3,056
Posts |
I'm a lifelong 6MT driver....haven't driven one in 2 years. I wonder how long it will be before I adjust.
__________________
Fire Orange 6MT G80 (Miss July, 2021 Cover of Bimmerpost)
SMB M3 CS (gone) YMB F80 6MT (gone) |
Appreciate
0
|
04-12-2021, 03:54 PM | #16 | |
Major
2623
Rep 1,477
Posts
Drives: BMW M2
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Zurich
|
Quote:
Unfortunately, the dull power delivery ruins the experience a bit And it's not a matter of performance. |
|
Appreciate
0
|
04-12-2021, 05:20 PM | #17 |
Lieutenant Colonel
1429
Rep 1,522
Posts |
|
Appreciate
0
|
04-12-2021, 05:38 PM | #19 | ||
Lieutenant
695
Rep 485
Posts |
Quote:
|
||
Appreciate
0
|
04-12-2021, 06:08 PM | #20 |
Private First Class
399
Rep 102
Posts |
I don’t understand the “lack of power/torque” down low arguments, it is plenty powerful down low for a street car, unless you are expecting it to accelerate hard while in too high a gear.
I am not saying that anyone here doesn’t know how to drive a manual, but I wonder how many mash the throttle let’s say in 4th at 40mph and expect instant torque/thrust. The beauty of a manual is that at anytime unless revs don’t allow you can manual shift to a lower gear and get that torque. Get a Tesla or Taycan if you want instant or better down low power. Heck even a 911 turbo which is a beast in acceleration can feel low on torque down low if the wrong gear is selected. Just saying it makes me wonder if autos have ruined/tainted the way a manual car should be driven to get the most out of it. |
Appreciate
0
|
04-12-2021, 07:01 PM | #21 | |
Lieutenant Colonel
1429
Rep 1,522
Posts |
Quote:
Of course, you shift a couple of gears down and the M demolishes the pack of daily drivers. Nevertheless, it could "surprise" some relaxed passive drivers that would expect this rocket ship to be far superiour all of the time, always. |
|
Appreciate
0
|
04-12-2021, 07:08 PM | #22 |
First Lieutenant
316
Rep 343
Posts
Drives: '19 750i xDrive
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Illinois
|
I test drove the 8AT comp and base 6MT back-to-back. You definitely notice the additional torque in 3rd gear for the comp (it felt heavily limited in 1st and 2nd). I preferred the 6MT experience overall and it pulled hard all the way to redline, which was a pleasant change compared to my previous ownership experiences with turbo BMW's (including a F82 Comp 6MT).
|
Appreciate
7
|
Post Reply |
Bookmarks |
|
|