[robopp]

From both manufacturers- 992T is a 3250lb car. The G80 M3CS is 3915lbs. They saved 25lbs from the comp. So a 665lb difference.

[2011ninja]

Originally Posted by robopp

Thanks! I was number three on the 718 GT4 list and never moved in a year. Got on the T list in October and got an allocation in December. I’m still a little bummed that I’m ‘settling’ for a T, but what are you going to do… I ended up going with shark blue for that very reason - I wanted something that’s bright. Too many grey and black cars in my past.

Originally Posted by robopp

From both manufacturers- 992T is a 3250lb car. The G80 M3CS is 3915lbs. They saved 25lbs from the comp. So a 665lb difference.

I didn’t see you as a bully 🤣

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by robopp

From both manufacturers- 992T is a 3250lb car. The G80 M3CS is 3915lbs. They saved 25lbs from the comp. So a 665lb difference.

I’d be surprised if that was actually true. Both of my 718 GT4s weigh more than 3250 and are 6MT, steel brakes.
I think real world will be a bit less between the T and CS. I’m a huge Porsche guy, my second 718 GT4 is my 12th one (and still own a PTS 911S) and IMO the regular 911 just don’t do it for me anymore. That being said the T is a more gestalt package but IMO I think the CS will prove to be more so.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by robopp

Thanks! I was number three on the 718 GT4 list and never moved in a year. Got on the T list in October and got an allocation in December. I’m still a little bummed that I’m ‘settling’ for a T, but what are you going to do… I ended up going with shark blue for that very reason - I wanted something that’s bright. Too many grey and black cars in my past.

My second GT4 is shark blue too. Great color.

Honestly the T will be a great car for sure. If you look at the 991.2T, it was painstakingly close to the F82 M4 GTS at VIR Lightning Lap despite not having cup tires fitted - with them I'd put money it would have been faster. The fact that with only 370 hp and basically nothing 'race car' fitted like the GTS to be that close on a lesser tire just shows how great the chassis was. The 992 is a heavier, larger car, and oddly enough the more I've driven the base, S, 4S the less I liked it.

I would have NEVER thought I'd say this because I prefer the Porsche brand to any other, but the new M3/4 are so good I think you'd need a GTS (~200K or near as makes no difference) to even make me think twice whether to pick the 911 over the M3. A GT for sure as once you've owned one, IMO it makes you see how dull the 911 is in comparison and to me BMW has made any gap in subjective stuff on the car (steering, sound, etc.) so close it's no longer anything other than a toss up. I do think the S58 is a better motor than anything Porsche has in the reg 911s too.

[nal13]

911 all day long if you can only have one. Have both and although the M3 is an amazing car it just is not as fun and engaging

And for those saying the M3cs will destroy a 911T, keep in mind straight line performance isnt everything. Put the 911 on a track or on a long curvy back road and your going to want to be in the Porsche.

[nu2M]

I’ve been a lurker on here and this is my first post. I hope to learn a lot from this forum and hopefully be a contributing member.
I have a ‘24 M4 Comp xDrive on order and awaiting delivery this summer. I’ve owned/own VAG vehicles and I’m fairly new to bimmers; this will be my first M badge BMW. I have no seat time in a M3/M4 but a lot of YouTube time, lol. I’ve owned a 991.2 GTS with a stage 2 tune and absolutely loved it. As you know, the 911 is a scalpel like-dialed in machine. If you can only have one toy, I’d go with the 911 all day but at least a GTS or higher trim.
In regards to the M3/M4, I think that BMW knocked it out of the park, especially with the Competition xDrive models. From the reviews I’ve seen so far, the Comp xDrive appears to be in 991 Turbo S territory in straight line performance but the 911 trumps in the handling/steering feel department. The 992 has further improvements, of course. Either way, you just can’t go wrong. Truly first world problems!

[wazzza]

Space not an issue, weekend car. That’s enough criteria to go for Porsche.

[BMWRacer523]

weekend car? 911T

[GTS Daddy]

STOMP the competition and go FULL SEND with a 991.1 GT3. I happen to have a heluva DD build in Sapphire blue w/ 11k miles on the showroom. It’s close enough to your pricing and the total net cost of ownership will be less than just about anything. Take into consideration when the hybrid drivetrains are introduced into the GT range and these NA examples start to skyrocket in price. DM if you’d like to learn more.

[flsupraguy]

Originally Posted by Jaimesi23

Hello everybody, don’t mean to rehash the 911 vs M car conversation but instead I wanted to be very specific to the cars I’m comparing. I totally understand that perhaps it really isn’t a comparison , the cars are truly totally different, nonetheless I want to solicit your opinions.

I have the opportunity to buy either one of these cars but not both. Money isn’t growing on trees for me unfortunately. These are obviously drastically different cars, but believe it or not in my area (Los Angeles) the prices of these two are relatively comparable (ADM included).

To give everyone context i really love the G80 platform, I am a previous owner of a 22 M3CX, which replaced my 2021 C2S that was rear ended and lost only 6 months into my ownership. Owned a 991.2T before that, F87 and F82 before that.

Space and practicality isn’t really an issue, this car will be a weekend warrior for me, but I am really trying to determine which one will be the better car to drive considering how great the G80 turned out to be.

Tough decision, but it has to be made.

Thanks for your feedback!

I've owned nearly every 911 variant and a e46m3, e90m3, and now g80m3. If you need 4 doors go m3. If you don't need 4 doors go 911 no question.

[NickyC]

Porsche, good grief.

[DO444]

Clock is ticking on how long I’d be willing to pay retail for a T. I think it expired actually.

Since this is not your only car and is only going to be used for weekend fun, I could see it being a good idea… but do you really not care at all about being in a “slow” or “base” Porsche?

Only reason I ask is, most people do care. If you honestly don’t, then I agree it’s no contest that the mt Carrera will be more engaging, and more fun to drive versus an m3. If I were you, I’d wait to see a Hp bump on the base cars. I think they need it… but then they’ll be oh so desirable all over again ha ha. Catch-22 I guess.

For pure driving enjoyment, you won’t beat the Porsche with any 3 series no matter how fast it is. Straight line speed is only one aspect and maybe not the most important one to you. It’s a personal decision really. I can see ways and people that either of these cars make the better fit for.

[BryanCO]

Originally Posted by GTS Daddy

STOMP the competition and go FULL SEND with a 991.1 GT3. I happen to have a heluva DD build in Sapphire blue w/ 11k miles on the showroom. It’s close enough to your pricing and the total net cost of ownership will be less than just about anything. Take into consideration when the hybrid drivetrains are introduced into the GT range and these NA examples start to skyrocket in price. DM if you’d like to learn more.

But make sure you read up on the finger follower design issue. It’s a big deal and a huge risk unless the engine was replaced with the final variant.

[Jb1707]

If you don't need the space, and purely weekend...
get some pork on your fork!

[DO444]

Originally Posted by BryanCO

But make sure you read up on the finger follower design issue. It’s a big deal and a huge risk unless the engine was replaced with the final variant.

I actually think that’s wrong thinking there. The hybrid 911 is going to be sickkkk. I’m pretty sure it will sound amazing, corner amazing, and it will have the acceleration to match.

Porsche knows how important the sound of a car is. They aren’t going to make the 911 suck.

Also, if It’s going to appreciate… why’s he selling it?

[BryanCO]

Originally Posted by DO444

I actually think that’s wrong thinking there. The hybrid 911 is going to be sickkkk. I’m pretty sure it will sound amazing, corner amazing, and it will have the acceleration to match.

Porsche knows how important the sound of a car is. They aren’t going to make the 911 suck.

Also, if It’s going to appreciate… why’s he selling it?

Because the 10 year engine warranty is expiring.

Agree. The next generation of 911s may be different but they will still be great.

[vampire81]

choose whichever feels more fun to drive to you

[LimeRock]

I had a M3 comp and currently drive a 992T. Based on your description I echo others sentiments - go for the T. I loved my G80, but from a drivers engagement standpoint the 992 is better. That’s not to say the T is more capable, I would imagine the CS edges it out across certain performance metrics. That said, the pure mechanical feel of the 992 (flat-6, manual, steering/brake inputs, removal of sound deadening etc.) really stand out to me when behind the wheel. It makes mundane drives engaging too. In the M3 I needed to be driving FAST to get the same level of engagement; around town it felt like an excellent sedan. I’m sure the CS kicks it up a few notches across the board compared to the comp, just not convinced the digital feel of the G80 will change with the updates. Both cars are spectacular and you can’t go wrong.

[2011ninja]

Originally Posted by LimeRock

I had a M3 comp and currently drive a 992T. Based on your description I echo others sentiments - go for the T. I loved my G80, but from a drivers engagement standpoint the 992 is better. That’s not to say the T is more capable, I would imagine the CS edges it out across certain performance metrics. That said, the pure mechanical feel of the 992 (flat-6, manual, steering/brake inputs, removal of sound deadening etc.) really stand out to me when behind the wheel. It makes mundane drives engaging too. In the M3 I needed to be driving FAST to get the same level of engagement; around town it felt like an excellent sedan. I’m sure the CS kicks it up a few notches across the board compared to the comp, just not convinced the digital feel of the G80 will change with the updates. Both cars are spectacular and you can’t go wrong.

100% spot on!

If you’re chasing numbers it will be difficult to make a decision.

If you want a fun car Porsche’s Carrera T.

That 911 looks amazing!!!

I’ll have to test drive one.

The Carrera T was not available when I got my G80.

My two car solution would change to Lexus ES250 and 911 T

[ChiTownM]

I just made the same decision 10 days ago and picked the 911 T over the CS. It was a very easy choice for me, didn’t have to think much about it. Take into consideration the 2024 price increase for Porsche and that was another good argument to jump on one of the last 911 allocations for this build year. I agree with other posters, go for a bright color, it will make the car even more special unless you are more conservative of course.

The M3 CS will be fantastic and has a tremendous amount of power and incredible upgrades, but for nearly the same money (no ADM in my case) there was no way I spend it on the CS. Porsche released a couple of extra allocations to some dealers, i would inquire about a 2023 build slot.

[robopp]

Originally Posted by ChiTownM

I just made the same decision 10 days ago and picked the 911 T over the CS. It was a very easy choice for me, didn’t have to think much about it. Take into consideration the 2024 price increase for Porsche and that was another good argument to jump on one of the last 911 allocations for this build year. I agree with other posters, go for a bright color, it will make the car even more special unless you are more conservative of course.

The M3 CS will be fantastic and has a tremendous amount of power and incredible upgrades, but for nearly the same money (no ADM in my case) there was no way I spend it on the CS. Porsche released a couple of extra allocations to some dealers, i would inquire about a 2023 build slot.

Yep, our cars essentially appreciated $8k.

[ScullyD]

Originally Posted by robopp

Yep, our cars essentially appreciated $8k.

If you check the price of the old 911T and the fact that 911T allocations were fairly easy to come by, just cause Porsche raised its prices doesn’t mean the car appreciated.