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      09-22-2020, 06:49 PM   #155
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This is the biggest embarrassment I've ever seen come from BMW... From appearance to the atrocious specs. 3800 lbs lmaooooooo.

If you want this over a C8, GT350, Camaro, or EVEN AMG at this point then I don't even know what to tell you...
NYG is right. The new M3/M4 is so pathetic it is funny. The cars are too ugly and too big! Because they are too big, they are also too slow!
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      09-22-2020, 06:50 PM   #156
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Chief when the back of your head is against the seat at 6500 rpm you're not gonna give a $hit.
Well I know when I want to downshift and there is nothing because I don't have that extra rpm, it is gonna annoy the shit out of me.
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      09-22-2020, 06:50 PM   #157
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Any insights on US pricing? Did I miss it? Joe Achilles's video calls out £75k for M3 Comp. I would think that would signal $69k, $70k for US for Comp, no?

Also, looking at curb weights, how is the Comp variant heavier than the Base model. With all the carbon bits, and those wheels...

Finally, looks like Base can only be had with 6MT, not with the ZF 8AT as I've understood. Is that correct? (It's been clear the Comp cant be optioned with a 6mt, but i couldnt tell if the base model is unable to get the 8AT..)

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Replacing ABS or PP plastics with (fake) composite carbon-fibre doesn't reduce the weight, it enhances the looks. Replacing the steel of the roof with real composite CF reduces the weight with ~8kgs. So don't expect miracles from half a shopping cart full of CF panels, like mirror caps, rear diffusors or dash lay-ins.
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      09-22-2020, 06:53 PM   #158
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Chief when the back of your head is against the seat at 6500 rpm you're not gonna give a $hit.
Um 479 ft-lbs from 2,750-5,500 in an SUV? Your grandma won't even get excited about this. For a 2021 car and the competition out there, this is vomit inducing.
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      09-22-2020, 06:54 PM   #159
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The design and the weight I'm just hoping the awful sales this car is going to have won't kill the M3/4 altogether
I will be surprised if this is not the best selling M3/4 generation ever (like every generation before it). I think people will get over the looks, and the AWD alone will be a huge selling point to folks looking for a one-car solution.
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Even better than the leaks! This car is going to be so nice 'in the flesh'. Can't wait to test drive and get one in the garage!
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      09-22-2020, 06:56 PM   #161
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Simple answer: power-to-weight
Simple answer: Not the true numbers...
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      09-22-2020, 06:57 PM   #162
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You can look at the N-Ring videos and absolutely get a feel for how much better of a performer the new car will be.
I looked up the 0-200km/h times: F82 performance is 12.9s and they announce here G82 performance 12.5s! Also 140kgs more is not helping the directional vehicle dynamics.
I can understand the G82 has a faster lap, but I would really be surprised when it pushes the limits to another level. It will be less than the +60bhp is making us believe.
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      09-22-2020, 06:58 PM   #164
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Instead of the M4, why not a Nissan GTR, 911, Mercedes AMG GT? Cost?
Yeah, those are not in the same category of car. They are all 6 figure vehicles to start with zero options, and at least $30k above the M3's base price.

I am more interested to see the eventual comparison tests between this and a Corvette C8, a Camaro SS 1LE, Mustang GT350 and of course the usual German competition (RS5, C63).
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When you look at the performance figures, the F80 still holds and is not far from this new one! Seen the weight advantage, it's not a given the new one will be the better sportscar!
I think the S58 will have way more headroom in terms of tuning, the modular series engines are heavily underrated. The X3M with just a flash does 3.0s to 60 and 11s 1/4.



I think the M3/M4 will be a 2.7s capable car and a mid 10s car . Say what you will about the looks, but even with the weight increase, net net performance wise my money is on the newer car which is stating the obvious...

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Instead of the M4, why not a Nissan GTR, 911, Mercedes AMG GT? Cost?
cost and atleast compared to the Porsche, BMW wins in delivering torque per dollar. The S58 will be faster than a 718GT4 in a straight line for a cheaper price, and a equivalent 911 is twice as much. It takes me $100k to get a Porsche that can do 350 lbs of Torque where the B58 can be tuned to 450+ easily for 55k in a Supra.

The GTR is super outdated at this point.

The closest competition price at the performance really is the Cayman GTS, Supra, Jaguar Type F, RS5, TTRS, C43, C63, and maybe most importantly, the C8.
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The design and the weight I'm just hoping the awful sales this car is going to have won't kill the M3/4 altogether
I will be surprised if this is not the best selling M3/4 generation ever (like every generation before it). I think people will get over the looks, and the AWD alone will be a huge selling point to folks looking for a one-car solution.
Best selling? Zero chance IMO. It just doesn't feel like a true ///M design for some reason. The styling is lacking very much so. Again, my opinion
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      09-22-2020, 07:00 PM   #167
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Does anyone else think a 9.3:1 compression ratio means there is a fair amount of headroom for adding boost?
Why anyone would add boost to an all wheel drive monster like this and jeopardize warranty is beyond me. Unless your going for quarter mile times. I know many will do it tho and I'm ok with that.
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Why anyone would add boost to an all wheel drive monster like this and jeopardize warranty is beyond me. Unless your going for quarter mile times. I know many will do it tho and I'm ok with that.
you should really think about flashing your M3 with Bm3 when your standard warranty expires, i think you'll be very pleasantly surprised

but mainly interested for the purist junkies 3 years down the road.
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So this M3 weighs over 300 lbs more than my F80? Hahahahaaaaaaha
and will still smoke it...

Bwaahahahahahahah
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I said the M4 didn't live up to my expectations as much as the M3 did... I take it back. The M4 actually has some promise after seeing more pics.

I still think the grille was poorly executed. Also I've said this before, but those side skirts are very E92-esque and I don't know if that's a good thing or not.
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This car is a abomination.

MUCH heavier, no DCT, barely any faster, WAY uglier, & more expensive?

To anyone buying this car.... are you mad?
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      09-22-2020, 07:06 PM   #172
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Best selling? Zero chance IMO. It just doesn't feel like a true ///M design for some reason. The styling is lacking very much so. Again, my opinion
It is not the first time that a widely panned design becomes a best seller for BMW.

The E65 7 Series was ridiculed at launch, no one liked the flame surfacing and the Bangle butt. In addition, it was also plagued with first year electronics problems (first version of iDrive). Yet BMW sold more E65s than the E38s over their respective lifecycles.

If nothing else, the additional Touring variant will help take some sales away from the RS4 Avant in Europe/Asia.
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I'm laughing to tears at some of the folks defending this. Did you guys shelter yourself off from the car world the last 5 years? If you like how this car looks then get the 340/440. You're wasting money on a dead M brand.
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The optional CF bucket seats as shown in the UK video M3 look very good indeed.
Hopefully, they will be offered as a stand-alone option, as the promotional video shows the Carbon buckets as part of the Track/Carbon package which includes the CCB brakes. That would be a $15000+ package in BMW money.
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Poll: Like or Dislike G80 M3/G82 M4 https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1700860
Probably need to start a new poll based on reality of the cars as opposed to the renderings and leaked photos.
Sure then should I create another new poll after each individual member sees the car in person? Maybe you can see the challenge in this game...

For the most part people voted when they felt it was the right time.

And I have no problem if the holdouts want to continue to hold out until they really know - see it in person etc
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I think the S58 will have way more headroom in terms of tuning, the modular series engines are heavily underrated. The X3M with just a flash does 3.0s to 60 and 11s 1/4.



I think the M3/M4 will be a 2.7s capable car and a mid 10s car . Say what you will about the looks, but even with the weight increase, net net performance wise my money is on the newer car which is stating the obvious...

cost and atleast compared to the Porsche, BMW wins in delivering torque per dollar. The S58 will be faster than a 718GT4 in a straight line for a cheaper price, and a equivalent 911 is twice as much. It takes me $100k to get a Porsche that can do 350 lbs of Torque where the B58 can be tuned to 450+ easily for 55k in a Supra.

The GTR is super outdated at this point.

The closest competition price at the performance really is the Cayman GTS, Supra, Jaguar Type F, RS5, TTRS, C43, C63, and maybe most importantly, the C8.
I believe you're right, but when we don't cheat and start consuming the reliability margins that BMW has built in, I would expect BMW M to provide the optimal ECU tune for this performance engine, and not an aftermarket chiptuner that takes no responsibility beyond his doorstep and clearly doesn't have the engineering squad of M GmbH at his disposal either.
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