[LSM]

Originally Posted by solstice

LCI after less than a year from SOP? I can't see that happening.

I thought new body regular 3 series has been out since 2018 but it hasnt. Since the new 3 has been out for what 2 years already. By 2023 model year there will be an LCI to include M3 which means pre LCI there will be a 2022 M3 Comp awd and a year later 2023 model will be LCI

[hdubf80]

Originally Posted by ASAP

Not sure how this will playout or the take rates... the awd will always be faster but the rwd more pure? And what if the awd drift as well if not better? That only leaves the weight penalty... will one be for drag racing and one for sliding? I dunno...

This X-Drive should be able to be decoupled like the big brother ///M5 in that case you can have the best of both worlds plus a little weight although I'm thinking the car will be lighter or similar to the F8X platform.

[Encanto]

Originally Posted by solstice

LCI after less than a year from SOP? I can’t see that happening.

I see dead people...

2008 E90 M3 (intro) - 2009 E90 M3 LCI
2015 F80 M3 (intro) - 2016 F80 M3 LCI

Are we now editing forum members' posts? Really???

[Ibiza]

Originally Posted by JustChris

G83 SOP next summer did I see someone say, July 2021?

My understanding is that the G83 would only be offered as AWD. Maybe we get lucky, and the G83 SOP is March 2021, then the G80/G82 follows with SOP July 2021?

I can't see BMW waiting a full year since the EOP for the F83, as rumor has it that the G23 should have market release shortly. There is a aprox 4 month gap between the G22 to G82, hoping that the G83 stays to this time frame.

[Ibiza]

Originally Posted by Zirenz2006

I didn't think about it that way. I thought I could only extend 2 months regardless.

Correction, lease can be extended up to 6 months with a production number. Wait the 2 months, then extend an other 4 months when you have a production number.

[OF Hero]

Xdrive for Comp models only, I assume?

[spuntyb]

Originally Posted by Kief

Perfect timing for right when I get the itch to unload my 2020 M4CS which will be around 12-15 months in)...who wants it, $731 base w/MSD $116k msrp?!?

I'm in!

[alfaromeo75mb]

Originally Posted by Ibiza

I disagree with your thinking, as BMWFS will extend to get you into a AWD. Take the no questions asked 2 month lease extension, place your order April 2021, and provide BMWFS your production number, calmly requesting special accommodation from BMWFS to hold you over until you take delivery.

This means G83 SOP is July 2021:

When I took ED a few years ago, they extended my previous lease 9m

[Ibiza]

Originally Posted by alfaromeo75mb

When I took ED a few years ago, they extended my previous lease 9m

I have had two 12 month extensions from BMW FS in the past waiting for a new model.

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by hdubf80

This X-Drive should be able to be decoupled like the big brother ///M5 in that case you can have the best of both worlds plus a little weight although I'm thinking the car will be lighter or similar to the F8X platform.

All of the Gxx xDrive models have the same mechanical layout for all intents and purposes. M XDrive has some electronic system and functionality differences of its own, and M SAV have different operating conditions from the M passenger cars. I'm guessing the X3/4/5/6 not having a Front Axle Inhibit mode (2WD) is the basis of speculation when it comes to M3/4.

[RyanBMW]

Originally Posted by solstice

LCI after less than a year from SOP? I can't see that happening.

Then you don't know BMW

A quick example was the F80, came out in 2015 as the first year, then BAM, LCI in 2016 + Competition model !!

[Geektechlive]

This is great news! My m550 lease is up sept 2021. I can order late July or August to get late September.
Yay

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by RyanBMW

Then you don't know BMW

A quick example was the F80, came out in 2015 as the first year, then BAM, LCI in 2016 + Competition model !!

I thought the same as him when reading your post initially, but now that you mention it, it reminds me that the LCI is tied to the series model.

[danniexi]

Originally Posted by lemetier

All of the Gxx xDrive models have the same mechanical layout for all intents and purposes. M XDrive has some electronic system and functionality differences of its own, and M SAV have different operating conditions from the M passenger cars. I'm guessing the X3/4/5/6 not having a Front Axle Inhibit mode (2WD) is the basis of speculation when it comes to M3/4.

so why are there two versions when they only have to release the single AWD version?

unless the RWD only is really THAT much lighter, I really dont see the need to have a staggered model range.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by LSM

I thought new body regular 3 series has been out since 2018 but it hasnt.

Actually it has. It began production in November 2018 (as MY2019 in North America).

By 2023 model year there will be an LCI to include M3 which means pre LCI there will be a 2022 M3 Comp awd and a year later 2023 model will be LCI

Yes.

The G20/G21/G80 LCI should tentatively take place July 2022, which means MY2023 for North America. So, the AWD M3 will have a single calendar year and single model year of production before the LCI while the RWD M3 will have a little over a year and half of production and two model years before the LCI.

Incidentally, since the G80 M3 is starting production in 2020 (and will thus be deemed MY2021), it actually comes closer on the heels of the 3 Series than the F80 M3 did. That model started production in March 2014 (US production) following F30 SOP in November 2011 and was labeled MY2015. Had the G80 been on the same timeline, it would not be here until March 2021 and would have most likely been designated MY2022.

[Remonster]

Originally Posted by danniexi

so why are there two versions when they only have to release the single AWD version?

unless the RWD only is really THAT much lighter, I really dont see the need to have a staggered model range.

M xDrive is partially integrated inside of the ZF 8 speed automatic transmission and relies on that transmission to be able to add AWD to the car without as much size and weight as a more traditional AWD setup. (Has anybody seen how massive the transmission and AWD system of a Nissan GTR is?). I know there is still a small external transfer case box behind the ZF 8AT but the transmission itself is a different unit to the RWD ZF 8AT, I haven't opened one up to see for myself what's changed inside.

You cannot use this ZF AWD system with the M-DCT or a manual transmission so thankfully BMW chose to give us a separate RWD and manual model for those of us who want to buy that since the AWD can only exist in conjunction with the 8AT. It may physically be possible to develop a transfer case that mounts behind their manual trans like a Lancer Evolution but we all know they aren't about to invest that much for the few of us who would want manual + AWD (I'm included in that small minority).

Imagine the uproar if the M3 was not only fugly but also automatic-only and AWD-only.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by danniexi

so why are there two versions when they only have to release the single AWD version?

unless the RWD only is really THAT much lighter, I really dont see the need to have a staggered model range.

AWD is not only heavier it’s also more costly. The M3 is more sensitive than the M5 to an extra couple of grand. Just spend some time over at the M5 forums...those guys are ballers rolling in it

And again, AWD switched on or off is controversial on the track and the M3 is a car with track ambitions.

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by Remonster

M xDrive is partially integrated inside of the ZF 8 speed automatic transmission and relies on that transmission to be able to add AWD to the car without as much size and weight as a more traditional AWD setup. (Has anybody seen how massive the transmission and AWD system of a Nissan GTR is?).

You cannot use this type of AWD system with the M-DCT or a manual transmission so thankfully BMW chose to give us a separate RWD and manual model for those of us who want to buy that since the AWD can only exist in conjunction with the 8AT.

Imagine the uproar if the M3 was not only fugly but also automatic-only and AWD-only.

M xDrive is not integrated. It's a hang on 1 speed transfer case which allows for on the fly RWD mode.

AMG MCT 4matic+ is internal integration and requires the vehicle to be stopped to engage Drift Mode.

8DT PDK4 is internal integration and configured in a manner in which it is not possible to decouple the front axle.

[LSM]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Actually it has. It began production in November 2018 (as MY2019 in North America).

Yes.

The G20/G21/G80 LCI should tentatively take place July 2022, which means MY2023 for North America. So, the AWD M3 will have a single calendar year and single model year of production before the LCI while the RWD M3 will have a little over a year and half of production and two model years before the LCI.

Incidentally, since the G80 M3 is starting production in 2020 (and will thus be deemed MY2021), it actually comes closer on the heels of the 3 Series than the F80 M3 did. That model started production in March 2014 (US production) following F30 SOP in November 2011 and was labeled MY2015. Had the G80 been on the same timeline, it would not be here until March 2021 and would have most likely been designated MY2022.

Exactly what I thought. That's terrible when they do that :

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by solstice

AWD is not only heavier it's also more costly. The M3 is more sensitive than the M5 to an extra couple of grand. Just spend some time over at the M5 forums...those guys are ballers rolling in it

And again, AWD switched on or off is controversial on the track and the M3 is a car with track ambitions.

The weight impact really depends on the reference.

The 8HP with torque converter going into the G8x weighs less than the 7DCI without the DMF assembly.

[Encanto]

Originally Posted by LSM

I thought new body regular 3 series has been out since 2018 but it hasnt. Since the new 3 has been out for what 2 years already. By 2023 model year there will be an LCI to include M3 which means pre LCI there will be a 2022 M3 Comp awd and a year later 2023 model will be LCI

Model year is separate from the calendar year.

If the G20 follows the F30 model year-LCI convention then the G20 LCI will be on MY2022 - that is, 4 model years ('18, '19, '20, '21) and then LCI for 3 years ('22, '23, '24) = 7-year model run.

For reference, the F30 was '12, '13, '14, '15 (F80), then LCI '16, '17, and then a second LCI for the F80 (to match the LCI front of the F32) in '18. This was a change from the E46 and the E90 sedan model years -LCI after 3 model years. The E36 was LCI after 4 model years.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by hdubf80

This is just typical BMW trying to maximize profit on the RWD models cuz most people are not gonna want them let's be serious. Enthusiast aside the majority of the sales will be AWD comp models in AT. BMW with another L!

Most buyers aren't going to opt for AWD.