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      11-19-2020, 06:16 PM   #23
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A base M5 after discounts and negotiations is IMO a relative bargain for what you get. Doesn’t matter much if it doesn’t fit your preferences though.

One aspect that has cooled my interest is the risk of renewed environmental rules including emission taxes etc. on federal and state level.

I will be test driving the refreshed Panny when available though. Apparently a lot of work has gone into improving steering feel and precision. My wife and I have many different ideas of our next car’s type and usage. Both the Panny and M5 are in the run as is the G82 and 992. In the end this car will be the car the we just like to drive and spend time in the most every day. Both of us, it doesn’t have to be a car I can take to the track.
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An G82C specced to my liking (not fully loaded) is 112k CAD while an M5C specced the way I'd take it is 127k CAD, that ~11k USD difference... And that's at MSRP, they are offering huge discounts on the M5. I remember when I bought my first M4 in 2014, my dealer offered my an F10 M5 off the lot for cheaper than what I was paying for my M4 then.
The G82 comp I'm looking at is about $80k. The M5 I priced came to $118k. Even just the base prices $74k vs $103k are almost 30k apart.

I did briefly consider the idea of an 8 something coupe which was going to be in that price range, although I think I've talked myself back down to the M4.
Why loaded M5C vs base M4? From a price standpoint, the big discounts versus little or no discounts really bring the cars close to each other and the M5 has one of the best drive trains around.
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Here is where I am confused, the M3 has changed too much and the grill is ugly. BMW has lost its way, no kink too heavy and too big. The M5 has kept its Style more similar to BMW'S roots and is a V8 albeit its not a dedicated track car. I am saying this for the reason no matter what BMW does, you will have complaining. :
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Here is where I am confused, the M3 has changed too much and the grill is ugly. BMW has lost its way, no kink too heavy and too big. The M5 has kept its Style more similar to BMW'S roots and is a V8 albeit its not a dedicated track car. I am saying this for the reason no matter what BMW does, you will have complaining. :
Two things have always been true with these cars:

- The M3 is the best trackable driver’s car in its class.
- The M5 is the best driver’s car in its class.

I bet they still remain true with this latest generation.
Does that make the whining excessive? You tell me.
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Here is where I am confused, the M3 has changed too much and the grill is ugly. BMW has lost its way, no kink too heavy and too big. The M5 has kept its Style more similar to BMW'S roots and is a V8 albeit its not a dedicated track car. I am saying this for the reason no matter what BMW does, you will have complaining. :
Two things have always been true with these cars:

- The M3 is the best trackable driver's car in its class.
- The M5 is the best driver's car in its class.

I bet they still remain true with this latest generation.
Does that make the whining excessive? You tell me.
Good question...
Hard to answer maybe. The M3 has been murdered on this forum to the point i have actually lost some interest in buying one and I actually like the car. I am not a person who tracks cars so weight to me is a mute point. Then there is the M5 with the V8 and more traditional styling and some say its to boring.
I will get one of these cars and am leaning towards the M5 and will not use half of it potential but it is funny to see individuals debate on what most people can't afford or care less about what a car is capable of.
Just my observation and I don't pretend to know most of what you guys talk about but I have learned a lot.
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Good question...
Hard to answer maybe. The M3 has been murdered on this forum to the point i have actually lost some interest in buying one and I actually like the car. I am not a person who tracks cars so weight to me is a mute point. Then there is the M5 with the V8 and more traditional styling and some say its to boring.
I will get one of these cars and am leaning towards the M5 and will not use half of it potential but it is funny to see individuals debate on what most people can't afford or care less about what a car is capable of. F
Just my observation and I don't pretend to know most of what you guys talk about but I have learned a lot.
And that’s a real risk, that people talk themselves and others out of cars they’d love. If BMWs been your thing, see the car, sit in the car, drive the car and then make your decision. None of them will be the best ever in every aspect, the M3 is a bit heavy and the M5 look a bit boring but I bet they are still the best option for a buyer with preferences for BMW’s approach to cars and the great value they usually are vs. the only brand that best them.
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Good question...
Hard to answer maybe. The M3 has been murdered on this forum to the point i have actually lost some interest in buying one and I actually like the car. I am not a person who tracks cars so weight to me is a mute point. Then there is the M5 with the V8 and more traditional styling and some say its to boring.
I will get one of these cars and am leaning towards the M5 and will not use half of it potential but it is funny to see individuals debate on what most people can't afford or care less about what a car is capable of. F
Just my observation and I don't pretend to know most of what you guys talk about but I have learned a lot.
And that's a real risk, that people talk themselves and others out of cars they'd love. If BMWs been your thing, see the car, sit in the car, drive the car and then make your decision. None of them will be the best ever in every aspect, the M3 is a bit heavy and the M5 look a bit boring but I bet they are still the best option for a buyer with preferences for BMW's approach to cars and the great value they usually are vs. the only brand that best them.
Couldn't have said it better myself. I have always wondered how many people were swayed away from a car by just listening to others. The M5 will more than meet my needs coming from owning multiple 7 series. I always wanted an M car and after driving the M340i, it was missing things I appreciate in my 7. Still a great car although. Thanks for your input.
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And thats a real risk, that people talk themselves and others out of cars theyd love. If BMWs been your thing, see the car, sit in the car, drive the car and then make your decision. None of them will be the best ever in every aspect, the M3 is a bit heavy and the M5 look a bit boring but I bet they are still the best option for a buyer with preferences for BMWs approach to cars and the great value they usually are vs. the only brand that best them.
That reflects my thoughts on the new 4's. The grilles may be way too large, but...
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I saw the M5 LCI IRL for the first time today at the dealer. Pictures do not do the car justice. I was not impressed with the lci as seen in photos but IRL it remains the only G series car that gives me the “I want it” reaction from a walk around. They also had an M440i parked next to an 8 series. Disappointed to see that they look to be the same size. The 4 looks better than the 8 IMO. Just 25% too big for a tight looking coupe.

The M5 was running since it was being taken out for a test drive. Pretty sweet music emitting from it as well. I need to book a drive myself since my interest for it is renewed
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I saw the M5 LCI IRL for the first time today at the dealer. Pictures do not do the car justice. I was not impressed with the lci as seen in photos but IRL it remains the only G series car that gives me the “I want it” reaction from a walk around. They also had an M440i parked next to an 8 series. Disappointed to see that they look to be the same size. The 4 looks better than the 8 IMO. Just 25% too big for a tight looking coupe.

The M5 was running since it was being taken out for a test drive. Pretty sweet music emitting from it as well. I need to book a drive myself since my interest for it is renewed
I actually think the roofline/profile of the 8 is more svelte sport coupe, although it does feel quite a bit larger sitting in it and just looking at it. I briefly entertained the idea of getting an 8 instead of the new M4, but even though there are discounts on some of them I still wasn't going to get what I wanted for what I could afford.
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Yes I contemplate that all the time. The 5 er is a bit more roomie and a bit more lux. Is it enough to justify the $35k or so price difference?
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I brought my wife to see the M440i and the M5 LCI today. No test drives just checking how she likes the cars IRL.

First thing she said about the M440i was not about grill(She liked the grill), it was instead

She: -It’s too long.
Me: -For a two door?
She: Yes.

She liked the M5 LCI a lot.

There we go, next we’ll drive the M5 and if that’s a hit the G82 might be out of the race especially since our build will be $90k including AWD while our M5 build is $110k, our 992 C4 is $115k and then there is the refreshed Panny as well to check out early next year.
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I brought my wife to see the M440i and the M5 LCI today. No test drives just checking how she likes the cars IRL.

First thing she said about the M440i was not about grill(She liked the grill), it was instead

She: -It's too long.
Me: -For a two door?
She: Yes.

She liked the M5 LCI a lot.

There we go, next we'll drive the M5 and if that's a hit the G82 might be out of the race especially since our build will be $90k including AWD while our M5 build is $110k, our 992 C4 is $115k and then there is the refreshed Panny as well to check out early next year.
Are you a new car buyer only? I am toying with the idea of a CPO 18 or 19 versus leasing. The numbers actually look really good with leasing but I typically buy CPO but it would be nice to leave some money in the bank and get a new car.
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Are you a new car buyer only? I am toying with the idea of a CPO 18 or 19 versus leasing. The numbers actually look really good with leasing but I typically buy CPO but it would be nice to leave some money in the bank and get a new car.
Yes only new.
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