[omaralt]

So found a dealer that wasn’t as insane. White with the black carbon fiber package. $4k markup but they offered $73k on my car. So difference is about $40k which is acceptable to me. Will try to pick it up today but it’s a 2 hr drive

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by omaralt

So found a dealer that wasn’t as insane. White with the black carbon fiber package. $4k markup but they offered $73k on my car. So difference is about $40k which is acceptable to me. Will try to pick it up today but it’s a 2 hr drive

Going from an M3 that you love to a Cadillac sounds…. Risky. You sure you’ll be happy with the build quality and ergonomics? Have you driven one, if so what are your impressions?

[ourlee]

The only reason not to buy a 718 is they offer true shit value. If you have $, the 718 (I’m 90% solo says you) is a superior driver in every way.
I’m a m2 future buyer cause it’s 63k. I want a 991 911T but it’s 100k. Worth it? Only if you have $

[BryanCO]

Originally Posted by omaralt

So found a dealer that wasn’t as insane. White with the black carbon fiber package. $4k markup but they offered $73k on my car. So difference is about $40k which is acceptable to me. Will try to pick it up today but it’s a 2 hr drive

Congratulations.

Since you swap cars often, why not try the CT5 BW. By all accounts it’s wonderful. I’m not a GM guy so highly unlikely I would ever buy one. Great that it’s offered in a manual.

Have fun!

[robopp]

Find a 992 911 Carrera T. Keep the options to a minimum - RAS is the only one you really need. That car is sublime!

[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by robopp

Find a 992 911 Carrera T. Keep the options to a minimum - RAS is the only one you really need. That car is sublime!

It's the finding part that's not easy.

[BMWRacer523]

Originally Posted by Needsdecaf

It's the finding part that's not easy.

not easy unless you are willing to wait..

[vbb]

Originally Posted by omaralt

So found a dealer that wasn’t as insane. White with the black carbon fiber package. $4k markup but they offered $73k on my car. So difference is about $40k which is acceptable to me. Will try to pick it up today but it’s a 2 hr drive

So, I'm confused, did you find a GTS 4.0 or a CT5-VBW? You do sound a bit all over the place, as the Porsche and the Cadillac share almost nothing in common at all.

I wrote up a long impression of my 5BW experience in the thread that Needsdecalf already linked, so I won't repeat that here. I have owned 4 different Porsches, including a 981 Cayman, and as glorious as the GTS 4.0 probably is, it's just not worth $110K to me, so that would be an automatic no. If you're looking for a larger car to fit the kids while still retaining the manual sports car feel, the 5BW is definitely an option to consider. The dealer that dared to ask $190K even though they "lowered" the markup to $15K over would immediately be off my list. I cannot support that nonsense. But if I were you, and I was potentially in the market for a more pure sports car without any real need for passenger capabilities, I'd pass on the Cayman, keep the M3 and hold out for a Carrera T if you can get an allocation.

[bmwdrive]

Originally Posted by ourlee

The only reason not to buy a 718 is they offer true shit value. If you have $, the 718 (I’m 90% solo says you) is a superior driver in every way.
I’m a m2 future buyer cause it’s 63k. I want a 991 911T but it’s 100k. Worth it? Only if you have $

I think this pretty much applies to all Porsches. The 911 in any flavor is also ridiculously priced. The Carrera T and s $125K before any options. It easily pushes $140K.

[robopp]

Originally Posted by bmwdrive

I think this pretty much applies to all Porsches. The 911 in any flavor is also ridiculously priced. The Carrera T and s $125K before any options. It easily pushes $140K.

I dunno man. My Carrera T MSRP was $127k with lots of options (Shark Blue paint ($3200), LCA, 360 camera, RAS, yellow belts, 23.7g fuel tank, prep for everything. Might need to check your math.

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by robopp

I dunno man. My Carrera T MSRP was $127k with lots of options (Shark Blue paint ($3200), LCA, 360 camera, RAS, yellow belts, 23.7g fuel tank, prep for everything. Might need to check your math.

When was this? Prices jumped $12k or so about 6 months ago. I had a deposit in for $140 that jumped to $152. Base price is now $125 plus delivery.

[ourlee]

The new 991 Ts languished unsold and discounted, then they got the Covid 19 treatment now they’re stupid expensive. The 992 is way beyond my means. The other car Porsche couldn’t give away new was the 718 GTS flat four. They too got the Covid 19 treatment and are now selling at 75-80k with 10-20k miles

The M2 is a SCREAMING deal vs Emira and c8 too.

[robopp]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

When was this? Prices jumped $12k or so about 6 months ago. I had a deposit in for $140 that jumped to $152. Base price is now $125 plus delivery.

Just took delivery a couple weeks ago.

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by robopp

Just took delivery a couple weeks ago.

Ok so your allocation locked before the price hike. Congrats

At these prices an S makes more sense. 379 hp is less than my Z4. Hard for me to justify going from a 503 hp M3 x to a 911t so I got a z and a model y for the same price as the T would have been.

[gleebag]

Coming from a Porsche guy (who will be offing his ‘23 M3 for another Porsche) DO it.

However you’ll forever be jaded. My m3 is legitimately good at everything, but it just isn’t Porsche good. So make the leap!

[robopp]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

Ok so your allocation locked before the price hike. Congrats

At these prices an S makes more sense. 379 hp is less than my Z4. Hard for me to justify going from a 503 hp M3 x to a 911t so I got a z and a model y for the same price as the T would have been.

Price hike was 8k and yes I got in before it happened. My allocation was from 12/22 so it’s been a long time coming. Car is sublime and I’ve had a X3MC since 2019 with the 503hp and still have it. My wife has a ‘22 M340. I was worried about the lack of power, but it’s perfect. 3250lb is a lot less than a M3 at 3800lbs and you can feel it. Everything about the 911 is superior to either BMW we have or the M3 I test drove for hours. You get in it and immediately feel the difference. It’s worth every penny, but again, you need self control with the options.

[bmwdrive]

Originally Posted by robopp

Price hike was 8k and yes I got in before it happened. My allocation was from 12/22 so it’s been a long time coming. Car is sublime and I’ve had a X3MC since 2019 with the 503hp and still have it. My wife has a ‘22 M340. I was worried about the lack of power, but it’s perfect. 3250lb is a lot less than a M3 at 3800lbs and you can feel it. Everything about the 911 is superior to either BMW we have or the M3 I test drove for hours. You get in it and immediately feel the difference. It’s worth every penny, but again, you need self control with the options.

The 992 is awesome. But the T starting price is now $125K. As I said, even with self control on options you easily get to $140K. For my money that is too much. You locked in before the recent price hike so you got a great deal by today standards.

[RACE M3]

If you can swing it, do it! Too many great cars out there to not try them all!

Ya have 3/4 more years to get back into an M

[BryanCO]

Originally Posted by robopp

Price hike was 8k and yes I got in before it happened. My allocation was from 12/22 so it’s been a long time coming. Car is sublime and I’ve had a X3MC since 2019 with the 503hp and still have it. My wife has a ‘22 M340. I was worried about the lack of power, but it’s perfect. 3250lb is a lot less than a M3 at 3800lbs and you can feel it. Everything about the 911 is superior to either BMW we have or the M3 I test drove for hours. You get in it and immediately feel the difference. It’s worth every penny, but again, you need self control with the options.

Pass the koolaid…

Who doesn’t love the 911 as they are great cars. Some versions are just greater just like in the bmw world. But the 911 simply isn’t superior (by any reasonable definition) in every way than either bmw you mentioned.

Is the Porsche tax worth it? That’s a personal decision. Self control starts with the model…

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by robopp

Price hike was 8k and yes I got in before it happened. My allocation was from 12/22 so it’s been a long time coming. Car is sublime and I’ve had a X3MC since 2019 with the 503hp and still have it. My wife has a ‘22 M340. I was worried about the lack of power, but it’s perfect. 3250lb is a lot less than a M3 at 3800lbs and you can feel it. Everything about the 911 is superior to either BMW we have or the M3 I test drove for hours. You get in it and immediately feel the difference. It’s worth every penny, but again, you need self control with the options.

Not everything is superior, but yes the lightweight and uncompromised sports car nature makes the 911 special. I put 10k miles on my 3,990 lb comp X drive - and the car was incredibly capable. I’d have to go for the 4S or GTS to get a similar level of performance, I think.

At the end of the day, if I’m going to spend $140k on a car, I’d like something more special than a base 911 with performance bits. But that’s just my personal preference. In the grand history of the 911, prices are objectivity the highest they’ve ever been, adjusted for inflation.

[MJBO]

Originally Posted by ourlee

The 992 is way beyond my means.

They've gone crazy. Here in Australia a 992 with ZERO options (literally, nothing ticked, standard paint) is AU$313k driveaway (inc. GST, LCT, Stamp Duty, etc.).

Our M3's come pretty loaded as standard in Australia, my G81 was a tad over AU$200k by comparison.

[MaxechosM3]

The gts wont depreciate as fast as a rwd m3.
If the spec is cool go for it. It’s gonna be the last N/A and gas engine cayman.