[thebigcheese]

Hey everyone,

I’m looking to get a Porsche in addition to my g80. Was looking at the 911 4GTS - or bite the bullet on a Turbo S. I will probably be waiting at least a year or 18 months for these, if not longer.

Was wondering if you were to get a porsche comparable to the CS - which one and why?

I have an allocation for a gt3 but am going to give that to my dad as a bday gift.

Thank you!

[Needsdecaf]

GTS.

[MissMyE46]

You’ve got a pretty wide range of options for performance and pricing. Frankly I wouldn’t waste my time on the 911gts if you already have the G80 M3. Invest that money and save for the Turbo S.

I think your best bang for the buck is the GT4RS. Can daily this but a monster on the track. If you are going to track it or a have a lot of twisty two lane roads that would be my pick. It’s substantially less cost than the 911 turbo S and has very little performance loss when compared to a 911 GT3.

[Juanero]

I only got a m3comp xdrive, but it different from a 911. I've had a turbo, and currently have a '18 gt3. Porsches are more deliberate for steering and throttle. m3 is so easy to drive, everything feels like its assisted. I think the best 911 is a NA engine one, but on the road it will be hard to differentiate a 992 gts vs a turbo. but...nothing is fast as a turbo s on the road below 250k.

with a m3cs, I recommend a gt3. the 911 would be driven not as often, and every time you get in, it will make you giddy. it's quick, not as fast as a turbo s, but the noise of 9k is what makes the experience.

[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by MissMyE46

You’ve got a pretty wide range of options for performance and pricing. Frankly I wouldn’t waste my time on the 911gts if you already have the G80 M3. Invest that money and save for the Turbo S.

I think your best bang for the buck is the GT4RS. Can daily this but a monster on the track. If you are going to track it or a have a lot of twisty two lane roads that would be my pick. It’s substantially less cost than the 911 turbo S and has very little performance loss when compared to a 911 GT3.

Do you have any seat time with the above? Daily a GT4 RS?


There is no bang for the buck with a GT4 RS. First, you can’t get them at sticker. And if you do, you want the Weisssch Pack. Which means you’re spending, you know, $200k with the wheels. IF you can buy one (which you can’t) and IF you can get one at MSRP (which if you’re on a BMW forum asking this question, you can’t).

OP asked for the “CS” equivalent in the 911 world. GT4RS would be like an M4 CSL with the hardcore buckets, a cage, and stripped out sound deadening.

[bmwdrive]

Originally Posted by Needsdecaf

Do you have any seat time with the above? Daily a GT4 RS?


There is no bang for the buck with a GT4 RS. First, you can’t get them at sticker. And if you do, you want the Weisssch Pack. Which means you’re spending, you know, $200k with the wheels. IF you can buy one (which you can’t) and IF you can get one at MSRP (which if you’re on a BMW forum asking this question, you can’t).

OP asked for the “CS” equivalent in the 911 world. GT4RS would be like an M4 CSL with the hardcore buckets, a cage, and stripped out sound deadening.

I'm also wondering how fast people drive on twisty two lane roads? If you need a GT4RS or Turbo S to go fast enough on public backroads I don't think you will own the car or your license for very long.

[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by bmwd

I'm also wondering how fast people drive on twisty two lane roads? If you need a GT4RS or Turbo S to go fast enough on public backroads I don't think you will own the car or your license for very long.

Yeah, I own a 997.2 Turbo S and one of the reasons I'm selling it is that it's a bit boring after a while where I live. Once it's on boost it's just so fast between corners that it's just....not satisfying after a while. Especially with the stock exhaust. There is ZERO exhaust note. Just a huge sucking air sound and poof, you're at 90-100. And this is 2 generations on and 100 HP down on the current Turbo S!

The G80 is probably about as fast as my Turbo S because it's less laggy, but is a little more fun to rag on at lower speeds, and a hell of a lot more practical.

A GT4 RS isn't even trying unless you're in a high speed canyon and absolutely sending it at extremely high speeds. A buddy of mine did a 2 day Porsche Experience at the 'Ring and had the majority of his seat time in the GT4 and then switched to the GT3 (he is a GT3 owner with a lot of track experience including having owned and raced two GT3 Cup cars). The GT4 is REALLY aloof until you get some speed on and then it starts to grip but then he said becomes a little twitchy. Even the normal GT3 is more confident when you go from moderate to high speeds, at least at the 'Ring. I suspect the GT4 RS would do better than the GT3 on a flatter, smoother circuit.

The GT4 RS is not a car to buy just to drive on normal roads. And certainly not one to commute in.

[Limegrntaln]

I'm in the middle of looking for my next money pit, and I've been looking at 911s for a few years, now. I don't think there is anything under a GTS that I would get, if I already owned a G8X. I don't ever look at, or compare anything when it comes to the GT4. All I know, is, its not a 911.

I'm sure its a plenty capable car, but, to me, its like 340i owners telling us they have M cars. Of course, nothing to bash on people that own them, this is solely based on how I personally see the car.

[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by Limegrntaln

I'm in the middle of looking for my next money pit, and I've been looking at 911s for a few years, now. I don't think there is anything under a GTS that I would get, if I already owned a G8X. I don't ever look at, or compare anything when it comes to the GT4. All I know, is, its not a 911.

I'm sure its a plenty capable car, but, to me, its like 340i owners telling us they have M cars. Of course, nothing to bash on people that own them, this is solely based on how I personally see the car.

Agree and disagree.

A GT4 is certainly a legitimate GT car. It's hampered by the strut rear suspension vs. the 911 platform, but also benefits by being mid-engined. There are some that swear by the GT4 even over a GT3 as the prefer mid-engined cars. But in the end, the 911 has the better engine and the better rear suspension.

So I agree on that, but I think your M340i vs. M comparison is a TAD harsh. I view it as more like M2 owners saying "this is just as good as an M4".

[thebigcheese]

Originally Posted by Limegrntaln

I'm in the middle of looking for my next money pit, and I've been looking at 911s for a few years, now. I don't think there is anything under a GTS that I would get, if I already owned a G8X. I don't ever look at, or compare anything when it comes to the GT4. All I know, is, its not a 911.

I'm sure its a plenty capable car, but, to me, its like 340i owners telling us they have M cars. Of course, nothing to bash on people that own them, this is solely based on how I personally see the car.

Haha you and me feel the same. I ended up putting my name down for a 4GTS. Wanted to go turbo s but since its my first car from them they said it was impossible and there are 30+ people on the list already. Im #9 for the GTS? Also i dont want to buy a pre-owned, so the plan is to wait 1yr+ for the gts then put my name in for a turbo s. Maybe something comes along between now and then where i can snag a turbo s but the gts will do.

[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by thebigcheese

Haha you and me feel the same. I ended up putting my name down for a 4GTS. Wanted to go turbo s but since its my first car from them they said it was impossible and there are 30+ people on the list already. Im #9 for the GTS? Also i dont want to buy a pre-owned, so the plan is to wait 1yr+ for the gts then put my name in for a turbo s. Maybe something comes along between now and then where i can snag a turbo s but the gts will do.

If this is your first Porsche / 911, why are you convinced to get a Turbo S?

The one thing that you realize after owning / driving Porsches is that the flavors of 911 are all quite different. There is a mad run on Turbo S now (so much so that the regular Turbo hardly even gets ordered any more). I'm not sure why it so much more popular in the 992 guise, I think it's because they turned it back into a sports car instead of a luxury tourer that it was in the 991 versions. But honestly, as I posted in another thread, the GTS has the Turbo's suspension and brakes. It has, in my mind, a better looking body, is lighter, and the 3.0 engine is less laggy and feels way more like a Naturally Aspirated engine than the 3.7 in the Turbo / S. Plus, the 3.0 is just as tunable as the Turbo's 3.7. People still are using the Turbo for big 1/2 mile and runway racing, but if you want a car to DRIVE, the GTS with an M Engineering tune is a hell of a car. Plus, you can get it with RWD and / or a manual if you want. Turbo is AWD / PDK only.

[02M3ForMe]

I was not particularly impressed by any 992 until I drove a Turbo S. Before the TTS, I had driven C2, C2S, C4S, GTS2, GTS4. I’ve owned all G82 variants up to the CSL. The CSL feels (and is) noticeably more capable than all of those Carreras. TTS finally gave me the “step up” feeling I was looking for and is the only one I can recommend.

The power, brakes, and handling of the TTS are all a clear step forward from the G8x.

I have yet to drive a 992 GT3, so no idea whether that’s a better fit for a CS/CSL owner.

[thebigcheese]

Originally Posted by Needsdecaf

If this is your first Porsche / 911, why are you convinced to get a Turbo S?

The one thing that you realize after owning / driving Porsches is that the flavors of 911 are all quite different. There is a mad run on Turbo S now (so much so that the regular Turbo hardly even gets ordered any more). I'm not sure why it so much more popular in the 992 guise, I think it's because they turned it back into a sports car instead of a luxury tourer that it was in the 991 versions. But honestly, as I posted in another thread, the GTS has the Turbo's suspension and brakes. It has, in my mind, a better looking body, is lighter, and the 3.0 engine is less laggy and feels way more like a Naturally Aspirated engine than the 3.7 in the Turbo / S. Plus, the 3.0 is just as tunable as the Turbo's 3.7. People still are using the Turbo for big 1/2 mile and runway racing, but if you want a car to DRIVE, the GTS with an M Engineering tune is a hell of a car. Plus, you can get it with RWD and / or a manual if you want. Turbo is AWD / PDK only.

Yes this would be my first. I just like to have the best of the best - hence the turbo S. Like i said I will be going with the GTS which i am still super excited about - I will have to look into the tune you mentioned.

[JM322]

Originally Posted by Needsdecaf

Do you have any seat time with the above? Daily a GT4 RS?


There is no bang for the buck with a GT4 RS. First, you can’t get them at sticker. And if you do, you want the Weisssch Pack. Which means you’re spending, you know, $200k with the wheels. IF you can buy one (which you can’t) and IF you can get one at MSRP (which if you’re on a BMW forum asking this question, you can’t).

OP asked for the “CS” equivalent in the 911 world. GT4RS would be like an M4 CSL with the hardcore buckets, a cage, and stripped out sound deadening.

I think something was lost in translation. He asked about 4gts. That’s a completely different car the gt4rs

[JM322]

Originally Posted by thebigcheese

Yes this would be my first. I just like to have the best of the best - hence the turbo S. Like i said I will be going with the GTS which i am still super excited about - I will have to look into the tune you mentioned.

The turbo s is the most expensive of the lineup but it’s not necessarily the best of the best…depending what you’re looking for. Just like there are plenty of c2s buyers who chose that bc they wanted it not bc the c4s was too pricey.

[pizza240]

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

I was not particularly impressed by any 992 until I drove a Turbo S. Before the TTS, I had driven C2, C2S, C4S, GTS2, GTS4. I’ve owned all G82 variants up to the CSL. The CSL feels (and is) noticeably more capable than all of those Carreras. TTS finally gave me the “step up” feeling I was looking for and is the only one I can recommend.

The power, brakes, and handling of the TTS are all a clear step forward from the G8x.

I have yet to drive a 992 GT3, so no idea whether that’s a better fit for a CS/CSL owner.

I second this.
Turbo or Turbo S. I do not recommend the GTS.
I do recommend the GT3/Touring too though.

[PVC]

To me, CS is a waste of time. Modest gains at best and won't be able to hold a candle to a higher end Porsche.
Get a fully loaded M3/M4 and put the rest of the money in your belly or spend on parts. Otherwise, just go for any of the Porsches you mentioned.

[02M3ForMe]

Originally Posted by PVC

To me, CS is a waste of time. Modest gains at best and won't be able to hold a candle to a higher end Porsche.
Get a fully loaded M3/M4 and put the rest of the money in your belly or spend on parts. Otherwise, just go for any of the Porsches you mentioned.

Have you driven a CS/CSL?

The performance gap between G80 Comp and CS is bigger than the one between Comp and 992 GTS. GTS at $180-190k with ADM is a pointless “upgrade” over a literally half-price G80. Spend $30k more and get a 992 Turbo, minimum. That is an actual upgrade.

GTS is really poor value this gen.

[PVC]

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

Have you driven a CS/CSL?

The performance gap between G80 Comp and CS is bigger than the one between Comp and 992 GTS. GTS at $180-190k with ADM is a pointless “upgrade” over a literally half-price G80. Spend $30k more and get a 992 Turbo, minimum. That is an actual upgrade.

GTS is really poor value this gen.

I haven't, but I am sure you can tweak your car to match its performance for a fraction of the premium some people pay for the CS badge. 75 lbs of weight reduction and 40hp increase isn't that difficult to pull off or get close to. At one point some dealers were asking for 40k over MSRP for those.

[cobramite]

A 992 base or S with a tune is a seious performer with loads of torque.
You sure have a fine group of choices in front of you. Good Luck with which ever choice you make.

[kbb]

I have a 992 GTS and a M3 Comp. The GTS handles better than the M3, but daily driving, the M3 is still my preferred car. Both are very good cars, just depends if you want a good all around daily or a more track oriented car.

[Serge944]

I was recently on track with an M4 CSL, and was pretty impressed by its performance on Cup 2 Rs. Still not as quick as the 991 GT3 RS and 992 GT3 on lesser tires, but it was a fun chase.