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      01-21-2022, 07:47 PM   #485
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Maybe @poochie, maybe

But let me tell you a story that might make it easier for you to understand why I would gladly buy one at a drop of a hat:

In 2006, I paid $7500 for a single 20¢ coin that was minted in the same year.

Why, I hear you ask my canine friend. I purchased the coin because it was minted in error and there were only 25 of them in the entire world.

I don't care if the only difference between the M4 and M4 CSL is the badge, if I'm one of only a thousand people on the plant, full of 8 billion people, I'd buy two of them if I could.

That should make it clear for you and remove the need to badger BMW about how good or badass the car is, how much or how little change there is; it's perception baby, it perception.

Live with it or, get out of the way of those who are willing to live with it

Now that I've lit the fuse, I'll stand back and watch the fireworks from the distance 😜

You paid $7,500 for a coin? You know you can get them for free at the bank if you trade in the regular paper money right?

Sometimes you can go to a store and give them paper money, and they will return you coins as well.


I just didn't know if you knew that was a thing. You're welcome to DM me, I have a whole jar of coins at home that I'm happy to exchange with you for paper money. Just so you know they're all rare, because I currently have them and nobody else does.

And for anyone that is even still reading this nonsense that I'm writing, I'm just simply confused as to what point you're trying to make. You made an analogy that you paid a heap of money for a rare mistake.

So are you to suggest the CSL will be a rare mistake? Or are you hopeful that they will be defective?

I am just so confused and need some clarity before I can enter the weekend.

Please note this is fully rhetorical, and does not require a response, DM or anything else. It was simply put out there for others' reading pleasure.
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I love all the negativity on price and features about BMW special edition cars. Its a bimmerpost tradition.

There should be a place on BP to memorialize all the negative internet posts about the e46 M3 CSL, M2 CS, M5 CS, and this car. Keep em coming.

Having an opinion that you might not agree with is not "hating."

I actually like the seats and grill but for something that suppose to be a "street legal racecar" when all they did is decontented an M4, double the price and make some bespoke cosmetic changes, doesn't pass the smell test, at least for me.

But hey, no beef, if that's your cup of tea, more M power to you. 👍🏻
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I love all the negativity on price and features about BMW special edition cars. Its a bimmerpost tradition.

There should be a place on BP to memorialize all the negative internet posts about the e46 M3 CSL, M2 CS, M5 CS, and this car. Keep em coming.

Having an opinion that you might not agree with is not "hating."

I actually like the seats and grill but for something that suppose to be a "street legal racecar" when all they did is decontented an M4, double the price and make some bespoke cosmetic changes, doesn't pass the smell test, at least for me.

But hey, no beef, if that's your cup of tea, more M power to you. 👍🏻
Are you suggesting the CSL will be nothing more than an M4 with a de-contented interior and unique graphics? They're spending an awful lot of time to test those changes.


They are completing the same field testing they would do on an 430i, as they would on this CSL. I've only seen this with every single upcoming BMW that have leaked..

But maybe I'm just ignorant. Seriously, please enlighten me on what am I missing here, beside them turning up the boost on the same S58 motor in the M4 and running it on the street..

Maybe @poochie, maybe

But let me tell you a story that might make it easier for you to understand why I would gladly buy one at a drop of a hat:

In 2006, I paid $7500 for a single 20¢ coin that was minted in the same year.

Why, I hear you ask my canine friend. I purchased the coin because it was minted in error and there were only 25 of them in the entire world.

I don't care if the only difference between the M4 and M4 CSL is the badge, if I'm one of only a thousand people on the plant, full of 8 billion people, I'd buy two of them if I could.

That should make it clear for you and remove the need to badger BMW about how good or badass the car is, how much or how little change there is; it's perception baby, it perception.

Live with it or, get out of the way of those who are willing to live with it

Now that I've lit the fuse, I'll stand back and watch the fireworks from the distance 😜
I wouldn't hesitate to buy a CSL for the same reason as you… it has a CSL badge and it's been proven from the factory.

It will be a special car, especially as ICE is being phased down.

People who chase value aren't in the CSLs demographic. Who cares if you can make a regular G8X faster with the aftermarket. That isn't the point.

I would keep the CSL and drive it the way it is from the factory. Nothing further needs to be added. BMW has already done the work for you. That's the premium you are paying for.
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Maybe @poochie, maybe

But let me tell you a story that might make it easier for you to understand why I would gladly buy one at a drop of a hat:

In 2006, I paid $7500 for a single 20¢ coin that was minted in the same year.

Why, I hear you ask my canine friend. I purchased the coin because it was minted in error and there were only 25 of them in the entire world.

I don't care if the only difference between the M4 and M4 CSL is the badge, if I'm one of only a thousand people on the plant, full of 8 billion people, I'd buy two of them if I could.

That should make it clear for you and remove the need to badger BMW about how good or badass the car is, how much or how little change there is; it's perception baby, it perception.

Live with it or, get out of the way of those who are willing to live with it

Now that I've lit the fuse, I'll stand back and watch the fireworks from the distance 😜


You paid $7,500 for a coin? You know you can get them for free at the bank if you trade in the regular paper money right?

Sometimes you can go to a store and give them paper money, and they will return you coins as well.


I just didn't know if you knew that was a thing. You're welcome to DM me, I have a whole jar of coins at home that I'm happy to exchange with you for paper money. Just so you know they're all rare, because I currently have them and nobody else does.

And for anyone that is even still reading this nonsense that I'm writing, I'm just simply confused as to what point you're trying to make. You made an analogy that you paid a heap of money for a rare mistake.

So are you to suggest the CSL will be a rare mistake? Or are you hopeful that they will be defective?

I am just so confused and need some clarity before I can enter the weekend.

Please note this is fully rhetorical, and does not require a response, DM or anything else. It was simply put out there for others' reading pleasure.
Let me say from the get go, you cracked me up 🤣🤣

However, to shed some light on why I made the analogy, there is a select group of animals who pay stupid amounts of money for things that the non-select group, namely the rest of humanity, may never understand.

This select group is also known as "the collectors". They value "rarity" above all. Someone who pays $1m for a pair of smelly shows just because Michael Jordan wore it happens to be one of those rare animals. That's why I paid $7500 for the coin that two months later I sold for $13500

There aren't many of us, but those who know, will pay any money (like $300k for a M4CSL in Australia) because there will be so very few of them - I'm speculating here but 1000 or less M4 CSL specimen worldwide, 20 or less in Australia, leaves very little option for those who missed out - covet for the rest of your life, or pay the premium.

In my case, if lucky to get one, it'll be passed onto my son, at which time, he can do whatever he chooses to do with it when he gets it. Until then, I'll have a great time everytime I drive it every so often, knowing I've got one of only 20 specimen of potentiality the finest car in the current BMW lineup in the entire country.

To clarify, rarity must not be confused with scarcity. There could be 10,000 CSLs - they're no longer as rare as they would be if there were only 1000. However, if 10,000 people own them, and love them so much that most would not sell theirs, then they become scarce even if not rare.

Years ago, an investor bought a postage stamp for $1.5m and when he took delivery of it he took out a light and set it ablaze.

The astonished dealer who has sold it to him asked, why would you do that?! to which the purchaser replied "There were two known examples of this stamp known to exist to this day.

Now there is only one, and I own that one"

There is a very fine line between madness and genius, it just depends on your point of view 😉
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It [M4 CSL] will be a special car, especially as ICE is being phased down.
I would keep the CSL and drive it the way it is from the factory. Nothing further needs to be added. BMW has already done the work for you. That's the premium you are paying for.

Hear hear
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I love all the negativity on price and features about BMW special edition cars. Its a bimmerpost tradition.

There should be a place on BP to memorialize all the negative internet posts about the e46 M3 CSL, M2 CS, M5 CS, and this car. Keep em coming.

Having an opinion that you might not agree with is not "hating."

I actually like the seats and grill but for something that suppose to be a "street legal racecar" when all they did is decontented an M4, double the price and make some bespoke cosmetic changes, doesn't pass the smell test, at least for me.

But hey, no beef, if that's your cup of tea, more M power to you. 👍🏻
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Originally Posted by "ScullyD;28495414"
I love all the negativity on price and features about BMW special edition cars. Its a bimmerpost tradition.

There should be a place on BP to memorialize all the negative internet posts about the e46 M3 CSL, M2 CS, M5 CS, and this car. Keep em coming.

Having an opinion that you might not agree with is not "hating."

I actually like the seats and grill but for something that suppose to be a "street legal racecar" when all they did is decontented an M4, double the price and make some bespoke cosmetic changes, doesn't pass the smell test, at least for me.

But hey, no beef, if that's your cup of tea, more M power to you. 👍🏻
Are you suggesting the CSL will be nothing more than an M4 with a de-contented interior and unique graphics? They're spending an awful lot of time to test those changes.


They are completing the same field testing they would do on an 430i, as they would on this CSL. I've only seen this with every single upcoming BMW that have leaked..

But maybe I'm just ignorant. Seriously, please enlighten me on what am I missing here, beside them turning up the boost on the same S58 motor in the M4 and running it on the street..

Maybe @poochie, maybe

But let me tell you a story that might make it easier for you to understand why I would gladly buy one at a drop of a hat:

In 2006, I paid $7500 for a single 20¢ coin that was minted in the same year.

Why, I hear you ask my canine friend. I purchased the coin because it was minted in error and there were only 25 of them in the entire world.

I don't care if the only difference between the M4 and M4 CSL is the badge, if I'm one of only a thousand people on the plant, full of 8 billion people, I'd buy two of them if I could.

That should make it clear for you and remove the need to badger BMW about how good or badass the car is, how much or how little change there is; it's perception baby, it perception.

Live with it or, get out of the way of those who are willing to live with it

Now that I've lit the fuse, I'll stand back and watch the fireworks from the distance 😜
To each is own, from what I see, it looks the part and if you want the highest tier in the M lineage, this is your guy. But personally feel if you're looking for a vehicle that can swing dick around a salmon, with precision but still room for error, I could think of many other vehicles that would better suited for that duties and for around the same price..

I drove a M340i for a few and compare to an M2, body-wise, when you're attempting to whip that around the streets, I would feel the extra girth around turns and cutting in lanes. The car otherwise is rocket but the larger size is a compromise.

Keep in mind, the reason you pay the premium for a vehicle like this is due to the exclusivity of its parts. Because they are made on such a small quantity, by design, the economy or scales doesn't offset the R&D cost, so you pay for it in the sticker. Not because it's necessary a better vehicle, per se.
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Brother @poochie

You are absolutely right on all accounts with this post.

I have a M2 CS which is brilliant and tail-happy.

I also drove the M340i which is, in my opinion, one of the best examples of how good the B58 engines are.

I'm fully aware, there are many other cars which would probably knock the M4 CSL out of the park, but you know what, none of them have the BMW badge.

I recently had a blood test. It appears, my blood type is ///M Positive 🤣 and apparently, I have some red cells, some white cells, and a lot of blue cells - Laguna Seca Blue to be precise 😂😂

I've been in love with BMW since before my milk teeth fell, the good; the bad; the ugly, BMW is perfect no matter what (most times)
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The first G82 M4 CSL prototype test vehicle has been spotted!

According to our future models info, production may start July 2022 for a very short production run.

Two separate test cars are seen here and an insider source indicates that their plate numbers point to them being CSL prototypes.

[bpgaltitle]first G82 M4 CSL prototype[bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/m/m4/g82/spy/G82M4CSL/G82 M4 CSL Spied 1.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/m/m4/g82/spy/G82M4CSL/G82 M4 CSL Spied 10.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/m/m4/g82/spy/G82M4CSL/G82 M4 CSL Spied 11.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/m/m4/g82/spy/G82M4CSL/G82 M4 CSL Spied 12.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/m/m4/g82/spy/G82M4CSL/G82 M4 CSL Spied 13.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/m/m4/g82/spy/G82M4CSL/G82 M4 CSL Spied 14.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/m/m4/g82/spy/G82M4CSL/G82 M4 CSL Spied 15.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/m/m4/g82/spy/G82M4CSL/G82 M4 CSL Spied 16.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/m/m4/g82/spy/G82M4CSL/G82 M4 CSL Spied 17.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/m/m4/g82/spy/G82M4CSL/G82 M4 CSL Spied 18.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/m/m4/g82/spy/G82M4CSL/G82 M4 CSL Spied 19.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/m/m4/g82/spy/G82M4CSL/G82 M4 CSL Spied 2.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/m/m4/g82/spy/G82M4CSL/G82 M4 CSL Spied 20.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/m/m4/g82/spy/G82M4CSL/G82 M4 CSL Spied 21.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/m/m4/g82/spy/G82M4CSL/G82 M4 CSL Spied 22.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/m/m4/g82/spy/G82M4CSL/G82 M4 CSL Spied 23.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/m/m4/g82/spy/G82M4CSL/G82 M4 CSL Spied 24.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/m/m4/g82/spy/G82M4CSL/G82 M4 CSL Spied 25.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/m/m4/g82/spy/G82M4CSL/G82 M4 CSL Spied 3.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/m/m4/g82/spy/G82M4CSL/G82 M4 CSL Spied 4.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/m/m4/g82/spy/G82M4CSL/G82 M4 CSL Spied 5.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/m/m4/g82/spy/G82M4CSL/G82 M4 CSL Spied 6.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/m/m4/g82/spy/G82M4CSL/G82 M4 CSL Spied 7.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/m/m4/g82/spy/G82M4CSL/G82 M4 CSL Spied 8.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/m/m4/g82/spy/G82M4CSL/G82 M4 CSL Spied 9.jpg[/bpgalitem][/bpgaltitle]
Interesting, the lower spoiler and new stance takes away from the hideous front and makes it acceptable. I wonder what the actual Nurburgring time is for the G80. All hush hush so far. Old one did it in like 7:45 and GTS in around 7:28.
The grill is different on CSL, getting closer to the GTS race car. Which is the grill they should have done in first place. I mean crap, they already had the mold.
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Love the duckbill, grill looks way better, CC brakes, rear seat delete & optional 1 piece buckets (no doubt the US will miss out on these again). Strange laws in the US…you can own a gun but not a car with 1 piece seats 🤔.
Anyway, I'm guessing there will be some composite panels & along with what we've seen I'd wager approx 50kg+ weight reduction. It looks promising so far & so nice to be reading about a real M car rather than some EV piece of crap with an M badge.
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Love the duckbill, grill looks way better, CC brakes, rear seat delete & optional 1 piece buckets (no doubt the US will miss out on these again). Strange laws in the US…you can own a gun but not a car with 1 piece seats 🤔.
Anyway, I'm guessing there will be some composite panels & along with what we've seen I'd wager approx 50kg weight reduction. It looks promising so far & so nice to be reading about a real M car rather than some EV piece of crap with an M badge.


Love your conviction to M and ICE, good to see I'm not alone.

This will surely be a car that will be talked about 20 years from now

As for the single piece seats, maybe it's because some (like me) wouldn't fit in so easily 🥸
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Maybe @poochie, maybe

But let me tell you a story that might make it easier for you to understand why I would gladly buy one at a drop of a hat:

In 2006, I paid $7500 for a single 20¢ coin that was minted in the same year.

Why, I hear you ask my canine friend. I purchased the coin because it was minted in error and there were only 25 of them in the entire world.

I don't care if the only difference between the M4 and M4 CSL is the badge, if I'm one of only a thousand people on the plant, full of 8 billion people, I'd buy two of them if I could.

That should make it clear for you and remove the need to badger BMW about how good or badass the car is, how much or how little change there is; it's perception baby, it perception.

Live with it or, get out of the way of those who are willing to live with it

Now that I've lit the fuse, I'll stand back and watch the fireworks from the distance 😜


You paid $7,500 for a coin? You know you can get them for free at the bank if you trade in the regular paper money right?

Sometimes you can go to a store and give them paper money, and they will return you coins as well.


I just didn't know if you knew that was a thing. You're welcome to DM me, I have a whole jar of coins at home that I'm happy to exchange with you for paper money. Just so you know they're all rare, because I currently have them and nobody else does.

And for anyone that is even still reading this nonsense that I'm writing, I'm just simply confused as to what point you're trying to make. You made an analogy that you paid a heap of money for a rare mistake.

So are you to suggest the CSL will be a rare mistake? Or are you hopeful that they will be defective?

I am just so confused and need some clarity before I can enter the weekend.

Please note this is fully rhetorical, and does not require a response, DM or anything else. It was simply put out there for others' reading pleasure.
Let me say from the get go, you cracked me up 🤣🤣

However, to shed some light on why I made the analogy, there is a select group of animals who pay stupid amounts of money for things that the non-select group, namely the rest of humanity, may never understand.

This select group is also known as "the collectors". They value "rarity" above all. Someone who pays $1m for a pair of smelly shows just because Michael Jordan wore it happens to be one of those rare animals. That's why I paid $7500 for the coin that two months later I sold for $13500

There aren't many of us, but those who know, will pay any money (like $300k for a M4CSL in Australia) because there will be so very few of them - I'm speculating here but 1000 or less M4 CSL specimen worldwide, 20 or less in Australia, leaves very little option for those who missed out - covet for the rest of your life, or pay the premium.

In my case, if lucky to get one, it'll be passed onto my son, at which time, he can do whatever he chooses to do with it when he gets it. Until then, I'll have a great time everytime I drive it every so often, knowing I've got one of only 20 specimen of potentiality the finest car in the current BMW lineup in the entire country.

To clarify, rarity must not be confused with scarcity. There could be 10,000 CSLs - they're no longer as rare as they would be if there were only 1000. However, if 10,000 people own them, and love them so much that most would not sell theirs, then they become scarce even if not rare.

Years ago, an investor bought a postage stamp for $1.5m and when he took delivery of it he took out a light and set it ablaze.

The astonished dealer who has sold it to him asked, why would you do that?! to which the purchaser replied "There were two known examples of this stamp known to exist to this day.

Now there is only one, and I own that one"

There is a very fine line between madness and genius, it just depends on your point of view 😉
This I can relate to. I paid 20k over an F80 comp for a 2018 F80 CS. Many here thought that was stupid. (The special parts and wheels alone were worth almost that but whatever). The fact that only 1200 were produced worldwide and only 550 of those were floating around the U.S made it worth to me. It's rare, unique, and special. And that made the premium worth it to me and then some.
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The CSL will be the pinnacle of what BMW can achieve with the G82 platform.
It will be over 100kg lighter than the M4. Yes, it's still a heavy car, but it will be noticably lighter and faster than anything else in that category.
People here laughing over it probably also laughed over the E46 CLS because it was over 1000kg. You cannot make it right for those.
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The CSL will be the pinnacle of what BMW can achieve with the G82 platform.
It will be over 100kg lighter than the M4. Yes, it's still a heavy car, but it will be noticably lighter and faster than anything else in that category.
People here laughing over it probably also laughed over the E46 CLS because it was over 1000kg. You cannot make it right for those.
Haters gonna hate.

It's extraordinary how the weight becomes such a big issue.

Let me try and put it in perspective.

Rolls-Royce Wraith comes with a V12 engine floating like a rocket with 465 kW (624bhp), weighing in at a paltry 2,435 Kg and does 0-100 in 4.4 sec.

That's 191 kW per tonne.

The M4 CSL is likely to produce 410ish kW coming in under 1600Kg.

That's 256 kW per tonne.

Being a CSL, I'd expect it to do 0 - 100 in under 3.5 seconds with half as many cylinders as the RR.

Do sceptics see how it works itself out?

As you said, haters ....
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It's extraordinary how the weight becomes such a big issue.

Let me try and put it in perspective.

Rolls-Royce Wraith comes with a V12 engine floating like a rocket with 465 kW (624bhp), weighing in at a paltry 2,435 Kg and does 0-100 in 4.4 sec.

That's 191 kW per tonne.

The M4 CSL is likely to produce 410ish kW coming in under 1600Kg.

That's 256 kW per tonne.

Being a CSL, I'd expect it to do 0 - 100 in under 3.5 seconds with half as many cylinders as the RR.

Do sceptics see how it works itself out?

As you said, haters ....
What do you think the 0-60 of the M4 CSL will be, 3.0 seconds?
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Is it possible to buy the CSL grill ? Probably, BMW will not make it available…

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Is it possible to buy the CSL grill ? Probably, BMW will not make it available…

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The grills are different shape so entire front clip would have to be replaced. $$$$.
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The grills are different shape so entire front clip would have to be replaced. $$$$.
Na, the grills are the same shape and match the stock grills mounts.
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The grills are different shape so entire front clip would have to be replaced. $$$$.
Na, the grills are the same shape and match the stock grills mounts.
Thanks. Hopefully, BMW can offer it without the CSL logo. If not, I bet we will see it in AliExpress within next couple of months…😀
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Thanks. Hopefully, BMW can offer it without the CSL logo. If not, I bet we will see it in AliExpress within next couple of months…😀
There already are CSL replicas. Check the forum.
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Na, the grills are the same shape and match the stock grills mounts.
Someone on the forum has done this already on SPY. Didn't seem like there was any modification.
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Love the duckbill, grill looks way better, CC brakes, rear seat delete & optional 1 piece buckets (no doubt the US will miss out on these again). Strange laws in the US…you can own a gun but not a car with 1 piece seats 🤔.
Anyway, I'm guessing there will be some composite panels & along with what we've seen I'd wager approx 50kg+ weight reduction. It looks promising so far & so nice to be reading about a real M car rather than some EV piece of crap with an M badge.
One is an archaic amendment, that was written over 200 years ago, before day modern-day law enforcement and advancement in firepower was envisions but was never revised to match contemporary society, due to politics.

The other is a modern interpretation of US automotive safety standards, in which bucket doesn't meet, due to the fact that they are typically in a fixed position and lack heigh adjustments, so they can't be placed parallel to the side-impact airbags. The ROW doesn't require side-impact airbags, so they can get any seat they like..
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