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You paid $7,500 for a coin? You know you can get them for free at the bank if you trade in the regular paper money right? Sometimes you can go to a store and give them paper money, and they will return you coins as well. I just didn't know if you knew that was a thing. You're welcome to DM me, I have a whole jar of coins at home that I'm happy to exchange with you for paper money. Just so you know they're all rare, because I currently have them and nobody else does. And for anyone that is even still reading this nonsense that I'm writing, I'm just simply confused as to what point you're trying to make. You made an analogy that you paid a heap of money for a rare mistake. So are you to suggest the CSL will be a rare mistake? Or are you hopeful that they will be defective? I am just so confused and need some clarity before I can enter the weekend. Please note this is fully rhetorical, and does not require a response, DM or anything else. It was simply put out there for others' reading pleasure. |
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It will be a special car, especially as ICE is being phased down. People who chase value aren't in the CSLs demographic. Who cares if you can make a regular G8X faster with the aftermarket. That isn't the point. I would keep the CSL and drive it the way it is from the factory. Nothing further needs to be added. BMW has already done the work for you. That's the premium you are paying for.
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However, to shed some light on why I made the analogy, there is a select group of animals who pay stupid amounts of money for things that the non-select group, namely the rest of humanity, may never understand. This select group is also known as "the collectors". They value "rarity" above all. Someone who pays $1m for a pair of smelly shows just because Michael Jordan wore it happens to be one of those rare animals. That's why I paid $7500 for the coin that two months later I sold for $13500 There aren't many of us, but those who know, will pay any money (like $300k for a M4CSL in Australia) because there will be so very few of them - I'm speculating here but 1000 or less M4 CSL specimen worldwide, 20 or less in Australia, leaves very little option for those who missed out - covet for the rest of your life, or pay the premium. In my case, if lucky to get one, it'll be passed onto my son, at which time, he can do whatever he chooses to do with it when he gets it. Until then, I'll have a great time everytime I drive it every so often, knowing I've got one of only 20 specimen of potentiality the finest car in the current BMW lineup in the entire country. To clarify, rarity must not be confused with scarcity. There could be 10,000 CSLs - they're no longer as rare as they would be if there were only 1000. However, if 10,000 people own them, and love them so much that most would not sell theirs, then they become scarce even if not rare. Years ago, an investor bought a postage stamp for $1.5m and when he took delivery of it he took out a light and set it ablaze. The astonished dealer who has sold it to him asked, why would you do that?! to which the purchaser replied "There were two known examples of this stamp known to exist to this day. Now there is only one, and I own that one" There is a very fine line between madness and genius, it just depends on your point of view 😉
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I drove a M340i for a few and compare to an M2, body-wise, when you're attempting to whip that around the streets, I would feel the extra girth around turns and cutting in lanes. The car otherwise is rocket but the larger size is a compromise. Keep in mind, the reason you pay the premium for a vehicle like this is due to the exclusivity of its parts. Because they are made on such a small quantity, by design, the economy or scales doesn't offset the R&D cost, so you pay for it in the sticker. Not because it's necessary a better vehicle, per se. |
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You are absolutely right on all accounts with this post. I have a M2 CS which is brilliant and tail-happy. I also drove the M340i which is, in my opinion, one of the best examples of how good the B58 engines are. I'm fully aware, there are many other cars which would probably knock the M4 CSL out of the park, but you know what, none of them have the BMW badge. I recently had a blood test. It appears, my blood type is ///M Positive 🤣 and apparently, I have some red cells, some white cells, and a lot of blue cells - Laguna Seca Blue to be precise 😂😂 I've been in love with BMW since before my milk teeth fell, the good; the bad; the ugly, BMW is perfect no matter what (most times)
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Love the duckbill, grill looks way better, CC brakes, rear seat delete & optional 1 piece buckets (no doubt the US will miss out on these again). Strange laws in the US…you can own a gun but not a car with 1 piece seats 🤔.
Anyway, I'm guessing there will be some composite panels & along with what we've seen I'd wager approx 50kg+ weight reduction. It looks promising so far & so nice to be reading about a real M car rather than some EV piece of crap with an M badge.
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Love your conviction to M and ICE, good to see I'm not alone. This will surely be a car that will be talked about 20 years from now As for the single piece seats, maybe it's because some (like me) wouldn't fit in so easily 🥸
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The CSL will be the pinnacle of what BMW can achieve with the G82 platform.
It will be over 100kg lighter than the M4. Yes, it's still a heavy car, but it will be noticably lighter and faster than anything else in that category. People here laughing over it probably also laughed over the E46 CLS because it was over 1000kg. You cannot make it right for those. Haters gonna hate.
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It's extraordinary how the weight becomes such a big issue. Let me try and put it in perspective. Rolls-Royce Wraith comes with a V12 engine floating like a rocket with 465 kW (624bhp), weighing in at a paltry 2,435 Kg and does 0-100 in 4.4 sec. That's 191 kW per tonne. The M4 CSL is likely to produce 410ish kW coming in under 1600Kg. That's 256 kW per tonne. Being a CSL, I'd expect it to do 0 - 100 in under 3.5 seconds with half as many cylinders as the RR. Do sceptics see how it works itself out? As you said, haters ....
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Thanks. Hopefully, BMW can offer it without the CSL logo. If not, I bet we will see it in AliExpress within next couple of months…😀
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The other is a modern interpretation of US automotive safety standards, in which bucket doesn't meet, due to the fact that they are typically in a fixed position and lack heigh adjustments, so they can't be placed parallel to the side-impact airbags. The ROW doesn't require side-impact airbags, so they can get any seat they like.. |
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