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08-18-2015, 08:14 AM | #156 | |
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Proponents of carburetors were protecting what they knew. If you knew how to tune a carb, you were in control of your car. Going to the drag strip frequently included tweaks to your carb to adjust for temperature and humidity. To these folks, fuel injection was a black box of complexity. They didn't understand it, and they didn't trust it. Ultimately, fuel injection prevailed. For anyone who really understood the two systems, it was obvious that fuel injection would win once it was fully developed. Carbs aren't bad, they're just not as capable as electronic fuel injection. That doesn't mean everyone has given up the ghost of carburetion. I guarantee you someone is going to come along and point out some niche application of carburetors claiming that they're still the best solution for "WOT peak power applications" or some other such nonsense. The truth is that fuel injection can match or exceed the fuel delivery capabilities of a carburetor under a far wider range of conditions. The only reason to stick with a carb is simplicity or cost.
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08-18-2015, 11:16 AM | #157 |
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Plug in Hybrid? Ugh I dont want to think about having to install that damn device at my house either....
Good time to be an electrician
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Great post! I agree with much of what you say and I didn't take it as a rant on me But I would like to make a counter point to your counterpoint. To the point about nostalgia. Completly agreed. But what I'm talking about has nothing to do with nostalgia. It had to do with something that was not at all addressed in your post. Fun. See, the m3, which I'm sure we can all agree on, is the icon that made bmw what it is to us, was never the fastest or most cutting edge car of its time. What it was, was the most fun to drive car while being safe on the streets (relatively speaking). I can't count how many fun little occasions I've had and my memories of every bmw are not of it sitting in the driveway looking pretty but rather going around some bend or doing something else fun. The race to just extract more power or do more with less seems to always do so at the cost of fun. After all, fun is expensive and not as easily marketable as a power figure or a Nurburgring time. But that was always BMWs master stroke. They could infuse the fun of a super car into a boxy 4 door or two door. Incredible. In regards to the m4 gts. Yea I am aware that the lip and wing are for performance benefits. The Orange wheels also ? It seems many of BMWs performance cars were able to perform just fine without those things. Again those things are completly functional and do a job, always have. They just didn't have a place on a BMW road car. What's changed now is that it's now an acceptable and even desirable thing for bmw to sell a car with a giant snow plow on the front where as 15 years ago there would have been blood on the streets if bmw tried to sell this. Physics haven't changed. Bmws customer base has changed which makes this acceptable now. Ie. The fast and furious generation. "Sure all this stuff does something or other... But doesn't it look cool!" Let's cut through it all. BMW has always had to market the m3 to a certain crowd, the yuppies in the 80s, the preppy banana republic crew in the 90s and now the fast and furious generation. The car has been a reflection of that. Why did the e46m3 have a "power dome" and chrome side grills ? That was purely cosmetic. There's really nothing at all wrong with that because along with the stuff for looks/trends, the BMW magic was always there with us. A little something for everyone after all. Which brings us full circle. BMW will have to deal with the more socially conscious/electricity saves everything generation for the next m3. This is the best way to do that. Which is why this debate is pointless . But I hope it is done in the context of keeping the car fun and alive. Making a really really really fast Prius is of course no benefit to us. And I agree we cannot make the argument a get off my lawn one. But just make sure we educate everyone and keep bmw aware that there are still a lot of us who want to have fun with the car and don't look at it as just another accessory. BMW can't just throw power and technology at the car and call it a day. Anyone and everyone seems to be doing that. BMW needs to keep their master stroke skill alive of doing magic, infusing the cars with supercar fun in a car that shouldn't be like that. By doing so they will also keep car enthusiasm alive for a long time to come
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Please pardon my ignorance, I've not driven a car with power to the front wheels in quite some time. Doesn't power to the front wheels cause less natural steering feel and torque steer? Won't that be an issue here too?
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08-19-2015, 08:32 AM | #162 |
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08-19-2015, 09:11 AM | #165 |
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About time the M boys share a pizza with the i boys. Only amazing things will come of it. I called for it now it is happening, great things can come out of communicating with each other. I say go for it!
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08-19-2015, 08:06 PM | #170 |
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I'm okay with this. You guys who are poo-pooing this only are thinking of the stigma since early 2000's that hybrid = economy/slow/prius/boring.
If you paid any atttention to the 918, P1, F70 you'll see that it's hybrid tech is promising and contributes to performance If you've watched LeMans racing for the last 6 years, you'll see that the fastest cars on the planet (outside of F1) are hybrid cars (R18, 919, 908 TS040). Finally, if you're looking at more practical hybrid sports cars of today, you'll still see in the next generation, we will likely =get affordable sports cars faster than the preview gen given how fast techology is changing in this field (i8, Panamara Hybrid)
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I just miss hearing this:
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This isn't resistance to change it is reality! Millions of potential M buyers don't have any ability to plug their car in. Those people will find ZERO value in this workaround to high performance. Many people like myself will consider this a drawback and thus makes a plug-in M car a little less attractive.
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Negative, we still miss this just as much.
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So for all the manual "junkies" and those that love the sound of combustion engines this is a hard pill to swallow as most car manufacturers move to electric.
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Yep - anything hybrid/electric waves goodbye to the third pedal. I guess I should go put some oil in the lanterns and stoke the coals in the oven so I can read about it and consider my options over dinner.
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