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Match UP10 DSP Installation
So first off. Get the Alpha One Amp. It's the Match UP 10 DSP with all the work done for you. I learned that a little too late.
If you did what I did and went to your local audio shop, that you've been going to since the 90's, and ended up with the Match Amp. This will help you get it working. I have an appointment next Thursday to have Rod's audio tuners do the final tweaking. I'll share that file with anyone. Just PM me. In addition to the Match UP10DSP Amplifier you will need:
I'm sharing this because I couldn't find any information and struggled to get the amp to work. You have to have a laptop and download the software and base file. Right now the BMW DSP PC-Tool 5 Software https://www.audiotec-fischer.de/en/t...ool/downloads/ The Sound Setup that works is for a G20 https://www.audiotec-fischer.de/en/m...ase/soundIndex If you see a G8X listed in the future use it. You need to open the Amp and install the analog card and switch the input voltage. Important: My first mistake in installing. The harness instructions state: Important note: Before the first start-up the Highlevel input inside the UP 10DSP amplifier has to be set to the High Voltage Range (jumper position: Input G - H 32V). For more information about setting the input sensitivity please refer to page 35 of the UP 10DSP manual. However speaking to the Match Tech the analog card does not need the high voltage setting because it only runs the center channel. So leave the switch and jumper alone in the Analog card. To be clear; You still need to set the main board to high voltage My second mistake was thinking that the F32 sound setup would work. It won't. Make sure to use the G20 or the one I post. I mounted it in front of and above the Factory DSP. Fits perfect and just screws to the inner panel. The harness is so simple. No explanation needed. Make sure the radio volume is all the way down when first activated or do what I did and use the remote on input to activate the amp before any thing else is connected. Power the amp and then start the software. If the Amp is not on you will just get a demo mode. After that just load the sound file and you're ready to plug it in a play. Once I have a custom sound file for our cars I will post it up. The reason I wrote this is the instructions are not clear and it took me three days and two tech calls to get the analog card and correct sound file loaded. I hope this saves someone the frustration I went through. Last edited by Skyscraper; 02-26-2024 at 12:59 PM.. |
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Is this the only modification you did to the sound system? What's your opinion before vs after?
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It has more power and a fuller sound, but definitely needs fine tuning. The levels are off. I’ll update after the pros finish with it. |
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Great right up and interested in this, why is the analogue card needed?
Is it for the specific subs you added? Wondered why this is needed as I don’t see it in other linked upgrades for the G8x cars like this one: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/234154241...mis&media=COPY Any reason why the 4 series G22 sound setup file listed wouldn’t work instead of the 3 series? Would suit the M4 better? |
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The purpose of the analog-in card is to retain the OEM upmixing (Logic7) of the HK system - 9ch in/9ch out. The Match UP 10DSP can simulate a center channel without the analog in card (8ch in/9ch out), however that will not be the OEM upmixing.
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I’m sure some of the younger guys understand this software. It’s a challenge for me as a novice. It seems the amp can do a lot. You just need to know how to set it up. |
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Skyscraper - I've spent a lot of time with Match UPs and other DSPs in my BMWs, and learned a bit from a tuning wizard.
Start with Speaker Timing. If timing is off, everything is off. Don't mess with levels or anything else before you set the timing for where your head is. We do not sit in the center of the soundstage, so timing comes first. Also, consider not using the center channel at all. 2-channel music with correct timing does not need a center channel. |
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Thank You bri1042
That is exactly the type of information we need in this thread. I'm sure I'm not the only old guy that is new to the modern DSP amplifiers. Trying to find information on how to get the Match to work was very frustrating. Once I went through it I realized it was fairly simple. But finding the "How To" was not. |
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A pink noise WAV or MP3 file and a sound measuring app on your laptop can also be really helpful, but can throw you off if your microphone isn't very good (I do not have a good mic so that route was problematic). BTW, I tried one of the "rebranded" versions with tunes set up by the vendor once where they locked out DSP changes. Their tunes all had the timing wrong for where my seat was and it was awful. I won't name the company, but their responses to the issues were, um, not useful. Someone taller or shorter than you could be happy with their locked-DSP purchase when you won't be. I also used a rebranded Match from a different company that wasn't locked and that was a good purchase. Have fun with it, if you can, and take some time with it. |
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The analog card has the phrase "if an OEM amplifier is used as signal source the Load Jumper has to be removed immediately and the Input Sensitivity switch must be set to the 30 V / 8 V position." The Match DSP sits between the two factory components (the booster and the RAM), which is why they tell you to use the high-er level inputs, correct? |
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The amp is working good in this configuration. The sound is very bright. I need to spend some time adjusting |
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The Booster outputs (~26Vp = ~90Wp) must be set to 8-32Vrms of channels G-H of the UP 10DSP (26Vp = ~20Vrms). You can fine tune the input levels at the DSP PC-Tool Signal Management -> Input Gain -> Advance Gain Setup screen. This will solve any high volume issues with the OEM gongs, PDC and prompts. |
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And I'm assuming the harness routes the outputs to the right channels in the 10DSP (25W to A-F and 90W to G-H), not like you can hook them up incorrectly. |
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The MEC-Analog card has adjustable input level jumpers as well. Last edited by Technic; 03-19-2024 at 02:30 PM.. |
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Thanks Skyscraper for the tune, sounding pretty good out of the box!
I bought the URC.3 to be able to toggle the bass, since I just swapped the under seats for SWS-8Xis. Only change I made was to config that smart remote, and pump the bass gain up so I could leave the URC.3 dial in the mid range. It also has a toggle button that lets you switch between 2 saved tunes. Question though Skyscraper, did you just drill through the sheet metal to mount the Match? Guessing it's dead space between there and the outer body. Last edited by evidence; 04-14-2024 at 12:59 AM.. |
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It is hollow. There is a empty hole in the body and I put a probe through it to check depth. There is 4/5” of open space. |
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