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The G80/82 M3/4 base model starts from US$300,000 here in Singapore!!
Factory options are also taxed the same way! Factory fitted Carbon ceramics costs US$15k |
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all people that constantly complain about the taxes here is the USA should read this thread. But the electric car nonsense going on especially in Germany is crazy. I am a scientist with 30+ years in energy and automotive research. Selling electric cars as the climate savers is absolutely ridiculous. There are a lot of data to back this up. But if you say such things, you get killed by the media and the social media in Europe, particularly in Germany. Rant over.....
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Tables that show salary averages after tax by country are widely available, for example here: https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-livin...ngs?itemId=105 The US is more than twice the PIGS, so even more than I thought. [for reference I am a citizen of one of the PIGS] Quote:
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M8c in the US, 144k$ without including 6% tax --> 152k out the door M8c in Spain for example, costs 144kE without tax plus 21% VAT PLUS 15% car-VAT leaving you at a cool 195kE --> 230k$. You can see for yourself here:https://www.km77.com/coches/bmw/seri...an-coupe/datos Quote:
Conclusion: If you like cars, don't have cancer or diabetes or pregnant, aren't a person who will take 12 months off work because they are ''depressed*'', then the US is a pretty damn good place to buy cars and live. We are not in the broken-arm forum, or the childbirth forum, or the cancer forum, or the diabetes forum, or the forum for people who will scam the government saying they're depressed so they can live their life in permanent vacations (you come back to work a single day after your first year of vacations is up and obviously you don't want to work when you could be at home watching netflix, so you become depressed again and take another 12 months off, rinse and repeat). It is a car forum. *Depression can be a real thing and can be really serious, but we all have more than 2 neurons which are sufficient to conclude that if it's easy to get 12 months off work with full pay by saying you are depressed, people will take advantage of that and milk the system.
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My gross cost for my employer ~185k€/year. My net disposable income, is 52k€/year. Since I guess that in most posts here, we seem to forget that there is also about 40% social contribution to be taken in account. Then the VAT is 21%, there are additional one-shot registration taxes and yearly recurrent taxes and fuel is extra taxed to triple the end user price. Not very social, certainly when the government is sponsoring idiotic vehicles like 745e or X5 45e on the other hand. Tht's not called socialism, but communism. |
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Enjoy your car in the US while you can and the orange cheeto will take care of everything else in the mean time, maybe even for 4 more years, but I sincerely hope for everyone that will not happen... Last edited by Flamingi; 10-12-2020 at 06:04 PM.. |
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If you are a poor bastard who plans on working hard you are taxed to kingdom come to pay for all the benefits of the liars and crooks milking the system. I'll take the orange man any day if he avoids the US, one of the last bastions of work-being-worth-a-damn, turning into Europe |
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Just show how different taxes can be depending the EU country or even sometimes the region of a given country. |
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The lack of any uniformity in approach renders the taxation totally rediculous. |
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Some countries tax heavily on CO2 like the Netherlands, perhaps there yes but in the rest of EU definitely no. It is very very risky of MB to do this. Also why has this thread turned into US vs EU? Both have their virtues and vices, we also have different views and different ways of life. It's ok to be different. I for one don't mind paying taxes as I get a lot out of them. If it were not for free higher education I would not have gotten this far in life, so I am thankful for that and don't mind giving back so others, too, can achieve their potential. Americans have different attitudes, they are much more self reliant and have a do it yourself culture, which is fine as well. Doesn't mean one is wrong and one is right, just different. Last edited by emix84; 10-13-2020 at 10:49 AM.. |
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A socialist society produces buildings, hospitals and schools, the liberal one also and on top develops iPhones, M3s and oled 105 inch flatscreens. Nevertheless atypical that the socialists fans here drive 911 and 7 series which are pure symbols of capatalism. |
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Germany also develops these cars because they allow excesses in cars more than other socialist countries (Germany still excels in Maschinenbau). Also the premium manufacturers succeed in selling global wide. When Trump would succeed in keeping BMW out of North America, the G80 would have probably been a significant different car. |
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Being ok with paying taxes for public services like education and healthcare does not make one a socialist... Anyway, we're going offtopic. Last edited by emix84; 10-14-2020 at 06:31 AM.. |
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