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I have a number of colleagues and even friends who are frankly, negative BMW stereotypes. They own F-chassis 3-series, 4-series, etc. type cars and think it's weird I want an M2 over say an M5 or M8. In their minds the bigger the number, the bigger the flex on society and on social media. Anybody "settling" for the 2 must be weird or poor.
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I stayed away from euro numbers up until now since they’ve proven to confuse the situation more than helping in the past. However after having read some German information I have to admit that the higher weight concerns are looking less exaggerated. I retract my judgment of them being more unlikely and exaggerated than the lower US difference. My apologies to those I pointed out as alarmists.
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Regardless, that doesn't make this weight gain OK in my eyes.
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I spent some time reading the German auto press and German forums. The consensus Seem to be an 185kg/408 lbs increase and I’ve seen no challenges to it as changes in standards etc. Neither are there any comments to the contrary from BMW to be seen.
This make it seem more likely that the stated 3830 lbs weight is not comparable to the US last listed 3625 F82 M4 weight which only make a 205 lbs difference. You would think BMW would want to put a fork in that 185kg difference spread in Germany if it was untrue. If the F82 MT now is 4K lbs US curb weight as seem probable I can indeed see many abandoning ship, maybe even myself. |
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I don’t know how I feel about it, it puts some other cars in play for me again as the M5 and 992 depending on what path I want to take. The G82 was the best compromise to me but if the AWD is going to clock in closer to 4200 lbs the M5’s engine advantage starts to feel comparable to the G82’s nimbleness advantage. And the now huge delta to the 992 in nimbleness takes a big chunk out of the value and engine advantage of the M4 vs the 992.
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Not defensive but I really want to understand where the S58 reference keeps coming from.
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I know my M2 is no lightweight but its short wheelbase makes it feel more nimble at least... The G80 not only increases in weight it increases in wheelbase; giving a potential double-blow to nimbleness. I'll definitely need to drive one to see how it feels in comparison. The issue is, other than maybe Cadillac, one cannot get a new, manual RWD sedan anymore. I don't need 4 doors but as my daily driver, it makes a lot more sense. Plus, I don't want to navigate the mine field that is the pre-owned F80 market.
I was spoiled by my 981 Cayman which was very bare-bones w/ passive dampers and was probably still sub-3k lbs without me in it (US curb weigt was 2888lbs but I never put it on a scale). I mean, I only do 1-2 HPDE events per year while the most of my driving is around town but I still prefer a lighter vehicle regardless.
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