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      05-04-2023, 09:55 AM   #1
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Thinking through this I couldn't sleep yesterday night ... Mind kept analyzing. Thought will take some opinion

not comparing a 4 seater to a 2 seater, but more $$ spend a longer term thought + fun.

My Porsche SA called up yesterday night and offered a pre-built factory 911 GT3 at MSRP. I have had few 911s and Macan GTSs over past few years with this dealer/SA and was always waiting for a GT3. Its a MT and the folks ahead of me didn't want a manual or pricey spec, so I got the next draw. The issue is its more a factory car and hence comes non-configurable and its spec'd ~ $230K . Shark blue, Racetex blue stitch interior with full carbon bucket seats and more packages.

I also have an M3CS ordered with my super good BMW CA, MSRP priced at $124K. My plan was to keep my current 911 23C2S MT and get M3CS as a family 4D Sports Sedan.

So, if I get the GT3, I will have to tradein my current 911 and also cant afford an M3CS on top of it. GT3MT has always been like a dream car for me. I soughta feel bad for the BMW CA as well, as I will have to back out of M3CS which he worked through his management to get me the only one they had. I have two family DD - an X5 and Macan GTS for ref, so the 4 seater Vs 2 seater is not a very big deal for me.

Any opinions ? finding it hard to land on a decision. I know its stupid issue to have but thought will take some thoughts as we all here are sports car enthusiasts ..
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      05-04-2023, 10:04 AM   #2
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Edit: that's a lot of add-ons though. I see your dilemma.
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      05-04-2023, 10:09 AM   #3
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Thinking through this I couldn't sleep yesterday night ... Mind kept analyzing. Thought will take some opinion

not comparing a 4 seater to a 2 seater, but more $$ spend a longer term thought + fun.

My Porsche SA called up yesterday night and offered a pre-built factory 911 GT3 at MSRP. I have had few 911s and Macan GTSs over past few years with this dealer/SA and was always waiting for a GT3. Its a MT and the folks ahead of me didn't want a manual or pricey spec, so I got the next draw. The issue is its more a factory car and hence comes non-configurable and its spec'd ~ $230K . Shark blue, Racetex blue stitch interior with full carbon bucket seats and more packages.

I also have an M3CS ordered with my super good BMW CA, MSRP priced at $124K. My plan was to keep my current 911 23C2S MT and get M3CS as a family 4D Sports Sedan.

So, if I get the GT3, I will have to tradein my current 911 and also cant afford an M3CS on top of it. GT3MT has always been like a dream car for me. I soughta feel bad for the BMW CA as well, as I will have to back out of M3CS which he worked through his management to get me the only one they had. I have two family DD - an X5 and Macan GTS for ref, so the 4 seater Vs 2 seater is not a very big deal for me.

Any opinions ? finding it hard to land on a decision. I know its stupid issue to have but thought will take some thoughts as we all here are sports car enthusiasts ..
Well...a tough position to be in esp if money isnt a problem. It all depends on priorities and where you are with your finance and do you have to save up for ur kids etc. Lease vs buy. You have 2 family DD and if you are planning to have the M3CS as ur DD and use the 911C2S as your weekend car, you have pretty much what you want in this set up....except....ur heart will always look back while driving the M3CS and the 911 and think, what if I had gotten this deal for the GT3. If you plan on leasing ur M3CS, then this isnt such a big deal as you can get ur GT3 in 3 yrs and hopefully the market might have cooled and you maynot have to deal with the crazy adjustments. If you plan on buying and keeping it for a while, then you need to ask urself, if thie GT3 will end up costing you more in 3 yrs and how long of a wait r u willing to do. From what Ive heard, GT3 is not a great DD and so you might have to do the SUV as DD and keep the GT3 as your weekend if that set up still works for you. Good luck and its a nice problem to have. FYI, I the GT3 is also my dream car but I have other priorities financially and biding my time till they are settled. So I get the excitement of having your dream car come on ur lap but at 230K thats a steep ask.
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GT3, without any second thought.

I prefer having one proper performance vehicle than having multiple ones which is trying to catch up to the benchmark (GT3). And a GT3 is on the bucket list for most of us.
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GT3 at MSRP?! You take that deal every single tim regardless of whatelse you’re considering.
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id take the gt3. im sure someone here is willing to take ur build. btw is selling the macan an option? would be nice having an x5, m3cs, and a gt3 in the stable.
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GT3 at MSRP?! You take that deal every single tim regardless of whatelse you’re considering.
What he said. I just jumped on a 911 T for the same reason. GT3 spec seems a bit rich though, but it is a manual GT3, so you take the good with the bad. Another aspect is the 100K delta - only you can decide if it’s worth it to you!

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      05-04-2023, 10:40 AM   #9
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Depending on how comfortable you are with your current finances, I'd opt for the GT3. I know it sucks because you really like your BMW CA, but it's also part of the job. Just like how you have a chance of getting the GT3 cause the people ahead of you didn't want it, once your ordered M3CS comes in they'll just sell it to the next person, so it's not like your BMW guy lost out really. It's a desirable car, so I'm sure your contact has another client he could swing it to.

You have two DD's in the garage already, both very good ones I'd say. Add the GT3 for your fun days and drive the Macan on the daily. If the GT3 comes specc'd close enough to your tastes, I'd say no harm done getting your dream car. Cheers!
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I would take the fun-family car at half the price. Nothing like a fun family car, many on here do not get this as they may not have a family. You will use it way more than the GT3.

My opinion - A fun family car and an older more analogue GT car is the way to go, 997 GT3 is my recommendation.
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      05-04-2023, 10:45 AM   #11
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Dealers love you. You buy lots of expensive cars. There is reason others passed on a $230k GT3…. Sounds like that was a dealer spec’ed car. If so, shame on them.

If you have FU money, sure buy it but you said that you could not get both the GT3 and CS so it’s an easy pass.

But, I would pass on the GT3, pass on the CS and spec a GT3 (even with a small ADM) or find a slightly used one - there are a bunch available. Or get a 991.2 GT3.
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      05-04-2023, 10:50 AM   #12
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"GT3MT has always been like a dream car for me."

You have 2 DDs already, why do you need another for the family? There is no need for M3CS. Get your dream car and don't think twice. '24 Porsche are all increasing in price. There's another price increase expected in later half. Not saying this is an investment but it's a no brainer to try out GT3 and then come back to M3CS later.

For context, I cancelled on M3 fully loaded order for '23 992S, going from MSRP of $106K to $155K. I can't afford $155K but YOLO.
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Totally understand your predicament. First world problems, but a good one to have! I have an 18 gt3, and there is no comparison. it still sells more than I bought it. If it's a fun car then get the gt3 at sticker. Change your mind later, then sell it without losing money (even with that high spec) and then move on.
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      05-04-2023, 11:23 AM   #15
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Totally understand your predicament. First world problems, but a good one to have! I have an 18 gt3, and there is no comparison. it still sells more than I bought it. If it's a fun car then get the gt3 at sticker. Change your mind later, then sell it without losing money (even with that high spec) and then move on.
While a GT3 is one of the best car value bets you can make, many people are biased by the past few years. Pre pandemic, GT3s were trading at below MSRP. Will that return? I don’t know but I would hedge my bet by ensuing I buy a spec I love and avoiding a bloated spec. Again, if someone has FU money, then it doesn’t matter.
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GT3 is a much better car
and M3CS will lose much more money than GT3 when markets normalize
so no brainer get the GT3
you will be able to get a CS at a discount sooner or later
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Have you considered a Range Rover Autobiography as well? It will certainly make sense adding it to the cross-shopping mix of M3 and GT3, too...
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GT3 is a much better car
and M3CS will lose much more money than GT3 when markets normalize
so no brainer get the GT3
you will be able to get a CS at a discount sooner or later
Exactly. CSs are already going for MSRP and unspoken for in certain colors. We also don’t have a verdict on it yet. I’d get the GT3, especially if it’s a dream car. The value will hold.
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While a GT3 is one of the best car value bets you can make, many people are biased by the past few years. Pre pandemic, GT3s were trading at below MSRP. Will that return? I don’t know but I would hedge my bet by ensuing I buy a spec I love and avoiding a bloated spec. Again, if someone has FU money, then it doesn’t matter.
I will take back to 2014/2015
I bought a 2015 GT3 at MSRP and sold it 2 years later for MSRP
that was 991.1
the 991.2 generation started going below MSRP before Covid pandemic as Porsche produced more of them and at the same time introduced the GT4/Spyder which are great cars.
and I think the market is heading in that direction though slower than most has predicted
having said that, and if I want to make a bet, GT3 because of its limited production relatively speaking and the fact every thing is heading hybrid/electric will be one of the least depreciating cars on the market
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I will take back to 2014/2015
I bought a 2015 GT3 at MSRP and sold it 2 years later for MSRP
that was 991.1
the 991.2 generation started going below MSRP before Covid pandemic as Porsche produced more of them and at the same time introduced the GT4/Spyder which are great cars.
and I think the market is heading in that direction though slower than most has predicted
having said that, and if I want to make a bet, GT3 because of its limited production relatively speaking and the fact every thing is heading hybrid/electric will be one of the least depreciating cars on the market
Agree. And 991.1’s were often well below msrp when the 991.2 were available (pre pandemic).

But, yep, the GT3 is a good bet to retain value/depreciate less.
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This makes me cry.

If you realized for a moment that in Europe we pay about 200k USD for a regular m3cx...

Maybe helps you go for the gt3.

I would take 2 at that price without even thinking.
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