[Ibiza]

Originally Posted by Ghostriderf80

It's a huge car, what i find really funny is America w the ultra low speed limits and 200 mph cars. LOL... Is there actually a way for you guys to drive them this fast without a full helicopter chase?

Yes, it is possible to pin the speedometer in the US. Required equipment is a radar detector, such as a V1, and running Waze.

Virginia and Washington DC have bans on radar detectors, but I have successfully used in Virginia.

California doesn't allow radar detectors that are mounted on windshields.

It can be done, especially on the interstate.

[Ibiza]

Originally Posted by Puuhapete

Don't think you can call the CS models overpriced at all. In Germany they keep their prices very well and there are a lot less CS-models for sale than 2 years ago. And those cars are incredible, the M3 CS is the best M-car I have ever driven.

The wagon looks very nice but lets wait for the face

The US and German markets are totally different regarding sales pricing structure. Does Germany have lease brokers that can get 12% + off of cars sitting on dealership lots? Can a customer order a M car with the starting negotiation based off of invoice, not MRSP?

[M3GymNut]

Originally Posted by alistairk

I don't know what the hate is all about. I may get death threats for this but the opinions are subjective and even worse if you present them as facts.

It's not hate. All I said is pretty much I think they are ugly, I did not state anything as a FACT. Looks like you're a little sensitive about the matter I'll try to be cordial next time.

[macca1410]

Originally Posted by ADEe92

You can effectively get a M340i in Australia by buying an Alpina B3 wagon. I think that bringing in only the 330i was a deliberate move by Australian dealers to leave a little space in the market for the Alpina.

The M3 wagon may well make its way here, if not there is always the B3.

Excellent point. I had forgotten about the B3 coming here. Do you know when they go on sale?

Think I might have to have a close look. Would be super rare to see in Oz as well which is always good.

Thanks for the advice.

[M2Cmtl]

Oh god, I might look past the ugly front for this car. If it comes to Canada...

[Ibiza]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

Jacked up Crossover SUVs with unusable roof racks are the new normal

Wait a minute, you think a G81 with the M drivers package would be safe to drive at 175 mph plus in the states with items attached to the roof racks? Ambulance chaser attorneys would have a field day with the liability.

[Ibiza]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

X3M is probably hot in the states, doubt the estate comes here.

I'm not certain that X3M is doing so well in the states, as the recent lease incentives have been very strong compared to the X5M/X6M— but the X5M/X6M just started production earlier this year.

[eljay]

Originally Posted by F32Fleet

No not really. It's a combination of cheap fuel and favorable tax structure with lack of public transportation.

Diesel is taxed at a higher rate because tractor trailers and HD trucks use diesel and cause the most wear-n-tear on the highways.

The annual tax rate for passenger cars and light trucks is based on their total value rather than engine displacement or CO2 emissions.

Finally there isn't a large well established public transportation system which would require subsidizationt that, in part, would come from ridiculously high sales tax rates on cars/trucks.

This pretty much sums it up.

And yes, I do find it "funny" (read frustrating), being stuck behind a polite Canadian doing 100kph speed limit in their 300hp V6 V8 car/truck. Meanwhile in Europe, people drive their 90hp subcompacts at 150kph all day long and actually use an accelerator instead of panic brake to get out of the way.

Back to wagons...
We need more of them.
VW brought us the Alltrack when they said they never would. RS6 Avant is here now. So, who knows. Slap enough M badges on it, make it special and perhaps it will generate enough interest to get us mere mortals a chance to buy a used one.

[Ibiza]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

As with the claims made just a few days ago buy another BMW news source, what made that report seem unlikely was the timeline. It simply made no sense for BMW to roll out a model like this so near the end of the life for that generation of the vehicle. However, we've now learned that they've actually had this model secretly in development for awhile now, and they can therefore bring it to market in about two years, which means mid 2022. That timeframe makes a lot more sense since it can be timed with the G20/G21/G80 LCI, giving it about three and half years on the market.

Of course, one could still ask why BMW didn't move even quicker if they intended to pursue bringing a G81 M3 Touring to market, planning instead to deliver it in tandem with the G80 M3 Sedan model rather than more than year after. I don't know the answer to that, but I would speculate that it might have something to do with Flasch's priorities since he took the helm at M Division. Of course, I'm sure he'd love for it to be ready sooner, but I suspect that pushing it through so it could be out by LCI was something he put no small amount of effort into. Otherwise, it may have had to wait until he following generation, and who knows what the market will look like then.

I believe that the X3M/X4M factors into the equation. When the F80 ceased production, the X3M/X4M was announced/available and has been on the market for around 2 years. The G80 will be revealed next month and will have 2 years on the market before the G81 is available except for North America.

Staggering the introduction of all new models keeps the brand fresh and in the news.

BMW's product road map is 10 years out, as I have been told this 1st hand by a high ranking AG executive in Germany. The G81 was planned years ago, probably when the internal discussions started for the G20/21.

[Prazision]

If this comes in manual, rwd. BMWM you can have my first born. I will move to Germany if I have to...

[Cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by avantegardestyle

what's the fascination with wagons?

The practicality of an SUV without the giant ride height and shitty handling?

American housewives who didn't want to drive minivans helped drive the cultural craze of the crossover.

The reality is even in a northern state, there are very few cases when you need the ground clearance of a SUV in normal (even winter) driving.

For dad's like me, I would love to have the extra space to dump more crap (Strollers, backpacks, etc) without having to throw it all on the back seat.

Wagons are also inherently more sleeper because most of the time people think you're an old lady. The E63S wagon probably doesn't draw nearly as much attention.

Check out limited.slip on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/limited.slip/?hl=en he's got lots of E46 and E39 M conversions that have been done.

E39 M5 Touring is

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by duky

- "X3M is already selling well in the US" - ok well that is true around the world yet other countries will get it

Right. That's not a convincing argument. I'd ignore it.

- "BMW told Motor Trend etc that it is not coming" - ok but haven't they said this before about making an M3 Touring at all

Yes, and when they've said that in the past, they've followed through and not produced an M3 Touring. So they made good on their word. Every time. This time they are saying they will produce one and it will not come to the US, and I suspect that, again, they'll follow through on those plans.

- "there is no G21 sold in the US" - sure but is there an A6 or S6 Avant sold in US (understand the All-road is here)

The business case for the RS6 Avant here is inextricably linked to the A6 allroad in the US. It's that simple.

Bottom line is we're allowed to dream so LET US DREAM.

You have dreamed many times before and absolutely can continue. I think that's very human, and very healthy. I am not here to stop anyone from entertaining those desires.

The reason I and others are offering facts about the likelihood of US sales it simply to set expectations. At Bimmerpost we pride ourselves on delivering information you can count on when others are happy to shovel you nonsense and lies to get clicks. Are we 100% right all the time? No. But we aim for accuracy and we have a track record for achieving that.

I will say this: if BMW confirms over the next two years that they've decided to bring the G21 to the US at LCI, then I would change my expectation on the G81 in the US to "likely". I do not expect at all that that will happen, but that's where I sit on the situation at any rate.

[Damian Radek]

Originally Posted by eljay

Well, the hell did freeze over and cows came home. Wow. Is it April 1st?

This will be a fantastic car. Certainly beyond my wallet just like an RS6, but if they came here, I can buy one when they are 7-8 years old.

I'd love an RS4 Avant the most actually.

Will it have 3 pedals?

This would compete with an RS4 avant, the RS6 avant is more of a competitor to the m5.

[evanescent03]

Originally Posted by evanescent03

I'll take an M3 wagon

I'm addending my statement ...

I'll take the M3 wagon in a manual. #savethemanuals

[JoeyBananaz18]

Ok let's assume (and it's more of an assumption at this point) that it's not coming over. How do we get through to BmwNA and change their mind? What did they do to get the e36 m3 over here? And no I'm not joking.

[MD707]

I was curious so checked some numbers. The M5 is in the way to ensure the price has a ceiling....but then there are such big discounts available on all Ms now (and the M340 was 10-20% off from launch) so hopefully the same can be said when this lands.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by JoeyBananaz18

Ok let's assume (and it's more of an assumption at this point) that it's not coming over. How do we get through to BmwNA and change their mind? What did they do to get the e36 m3 over here? And no I'm not joking.

Convince everyone to go buy a wagon. Speak with your wallet. Go buy an RS6 Avant or E63 Estate, and get as many others here as you can to do the same. Money talks.

Also, do some roleplaying. Imagine you have a business with a catalog of products to sell for which there is an obvious market, and another catalog of products to sell for which the case is less clear. Imagine that millions of dollars are involved. What would it take to convince you to put your money into products in the latter category? Maybe you will gain insight that can help you in your quest.

I'm not being glib, by the way. What you are suggesting isn't entirely impossible, and I think you should go through the exercise of pursuing it if it is your dream. I wish you luck.

[Kief]

Originally Posted by GERMAN M3

Was waiting for you to chime in Kief!! Thoughts???

I'll believe it when I see it hit our shores.

[Jockey]

Not coming to the US

Besides, it would still have the pig nose

[secretariat]

R&T confirms not for the U.S.

[EvenKeel]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

no thanks

rather have an X3M that has the exact same drivetrain, more ground clearance, and better design.

That's why they have 'em in Europe and the US loses out. Vastly different driving experience.

[Thedriver85]

Considering how the CTS V manual wagon has essentially NOT depreciated, and how the X3M is AWD Automatic only, I would do the M3 wagon as Manual RWD, and create the next cult car. Personally, if this happens, I will mortgage my house, and sell two of my cars for this amazing machine.