[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by MachinesWithSouls

He mentions the GT4 a lot, but it's not a direct comparison. A coupe vs a sports car, front vs mid engine.

Of course the M4 won't be as engaging. The Cayman isn't as comfortable. Choose what matters more.

I also found it really odd. A track oriented two seater vs a 4 seater... How many people DD their GT4s? Are you going to pick your gf/parents/etc up from the airport in one? Not likely

[AndroidRobot]

I'm waiting to see their results for the ZF8 because it would be interesting to see what they get

[MachinesWithSouls]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

I also found it really odd. A track oriented two seater vs a 4 seater... How many people DD their GT4s? Are you going to pick your gf/parents/etc up from the airport in one? Not likely

Many years ago I tried a 997 911 before buying my E92.

The 911 was a better tool for driving but not anywhere near as comfortable or useful each day. I never missed the 911 during M3 ownership.

Tell me about the Alfa, or the RS5 - how is it in relation to those? But I'm not cross shopping a GT4 with an M4.

[bri1042]

So much of "this car vs. this car" gains or loses relevance based on individual usage. M4 vs. GT4 is mostly relevant for "second car (or third)" folk. RS5 vs M3 is a "I have one car" question.

[frankiebones]

Originally Posted by MachinesWithSouls

He mentions the GT4 a lot, but it's not a direct comparison. A coupe vs a sports car, front vs mid engine.

Of course the M4 won't be as engaging. The Cayman isn't as comfortable. Choose what matters more.

I personally think the G80 looks better than the GT4....that's a big factor for me as well.

[Dinh335]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

I also found it really odd. A track oriented two seater vs a 4 seater... How many people DD their GT4s? Are you going to pick your gf/parents/etc up from the airport in one? Not likely

I interpreted the article using the Gt4 comparison in discussing solely steering feel/ feedback not the car itself...

It'd be nice if the steering feedback criticism stopped but they also inferred the gt4 is the holy grail of steering feel so it's hard to knock the bmw....

No hate here Just clarifying so we don't get 20 pages of "I don't cross shop the two cars"😀

[PhJ]

Well, I hav read the Car and Driver test drive of the M4 G80 MT and was shocked by the star diagram that shows that the AMG 63 S with its V8 4 L greedy engine is the car with the best mpg among the M4, Cayman GT4, and Camaro and by a significant margin: 21 mpg for the AMG 63S vs 19 mpg for the M4 MT. Is it a joke or what ???? I cannot believe this.

[dialogical]

Originally Posted by PhJ

Well, I hav read the Car and Driver test drive of the M4 G80 MT and was shocked by the star diagram that shows that the AMG 63 S with its V8 4 L greedy engine is the car with the best mpg among the M4, Cayman GT4, and Camaro and by a significant margin: 21 mpg for the AMG 63S vs 19 mpg for the M4 MT. Is it a joke or what ???? I cannot believe this.

Manual transmission in the G80 means it lacks a true overdrive gear. Higher revs, higher consumption.

[kyleb350]

Originally Posted by dialogical

Manual transmission in the G80 means it lacks a true overdrive gear. Higher revs, higher consumption.

Ever since the E9x, I don't know why they made 6th gear so close to 5th (for a street car at least). Actually, it felt the closest on the E92. Not the end of the world though.

[BimmerMat135]

Originally Posted by kyleb350

Ever since the E9x, I don't know why they made 6th gear so close to 5th (for a street car at least). Actually, it felt the closest on the E92. Not the end of the world though.

Well at least every gear are usable i hate automatic cars that get their top speed in 6th gear when there are 2 more gears available.

[Zulu Saffa]

Originally Posted by rockitman07

The onslaught of positive reviews really tempts me to part with my beloved E92.

I take their point that there may be too many settings and they could have just left a sparse few but at the end of the day, an enthusiast will fiddle about with the settings as much as we can to discern the tangible differences. Equally, we could leave the beast in a couple of settings for daily driving and twisty deserted road antics. The beauty about it is having them available to, as C&D themselves put it years ago, transform the car like a tiger cub, cuddly one minute and ferocious the next.

Do what you can to keep t he e92 M3. I came out of an e92M3 ZCP stick and bought a M4 comp DCT. I wont say I regret it, but if I had to put both side by side and have to choose which to drive away in, it would be the e92. F82 is exceptionally capable, esp on track (no one is paying me for lap times though), but you definitely lose the analog feel, which makes the e92 special. I guess it can be compared to wearing a rubber and not wearing one...

[x77md]

Originally Posted by Zulu Saffa

Do what you can to keep t he e92 M3. I came out of an e92M3 ZCP stick and bought a M4 comp DCT. I wont say I regret it, but if I had to put both side by side and have to choose which to drive away in, it would be the e92. F82 is exceptionally capable, esp on track (no one is paying me for lap times though), but you definitely lose the analog feel, which makes the e92 special. I guess it can be compared to wearing a rubber and not wearing one...

Rawdog = E92

Got it

[MmmmmM2]

Originally Posted by frankiebones

I personally think the G80 looks better than the GT4....that's a big factor for me as well.

Say WHAT??

[vetteflier]

Originally Posted by mmckenzie

12 sec @120 mph 1/4 is pretty impressive for a manual car, especially when you compare this to 2014 base C7 7MT (my last car) which ran 12.2 @118mph (though the Vette 'feels' way faster down low due to its massive torque)

I traded my '18 A8 for the M4 Comp. At this altitude, it loses about 100hp. The M4 max torque hits at 2700 rpm and stays flat--with no loss of power at altitude. They rate it at 479--14 more than the C7, but dynos show ~ 495. At sea level, the C7 A8 was rated at 3.7 and 11.7. From most of the runs I've seen, the M4 Comp runs 3.6-3.7 and 11.6. Virtually no difference, with the M4 being ~ 500 pounds heavier. At 7000', the M4 would leave it for dead. Still a great car and miss it, but the M4 is helping me get over it...

[frankiebones]

Originally Posted by MmmmmM2

Say WHAT??

I know....I can afford either and I choose the g80 every time brother.

[rockitman07]

Originally Posted by KevinGS

Rockit, do whatever you can to keep both. You're going to miss that E92, and you know it. I'm keeping mine. I know it's irreplaceable for what it can deliver, at its price.

Yeaaah, too many smiles per gallon to say goodbye to the AW '08. I'll see if I can make a case for a G80 in an Individual blue

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by rockitman07

Yeaaah, too many smiles per gallon to say goodbye to the AW '08. I'll see if I can make a case for a G80 in an Individual blue

Woot!

[dialogical]

Originally Posted by 330indy

It's a little hard to digest that BMW's competition has better steering feel....
Still ??

I haven't heard that sentiment echoed elsewhere

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by dialogical

I haven't heard that sentiment echoed elsewhere

Neither have I really, unless we consider the GT4 or 911 BMW's competition.

[Audio Fan]

Originally Posted by rockitman07

The onslaught of positive reviews really tempts me to part with my beloved E92.

I take their point that there may be too many settings and they could have just left a sparse few but at the end of the day, an enthusiast will fiddle about with the settings as much as we can to discern the tangible differences. Equally, we could leave the beast in a couple of settings for daily driving and twisty deserted road antics. The beauty about it is having them available to, as C&D themselves put it years ago, transform the car like a tiger cub, cuddly one minute and ferocious the next.

You'll only miss the sound

[rockitman07]

Originally Posted by Audio Fan

You'll only miss the sound

True, and here I was looking at the Eventuri carbon intake (and maybe plenum??) to enhance the sound even more!

[rockitman07]

Originally Posted by Zulu Saffa

Do what you can to keep t he e92 M3. I came out of an e92M3 ZCP stick and bought a M4 comp DCT. I wont say I regret it, but if I had to put both side by side and have to choose which to drive away in, it would be the e92. F82 is exceptionally capable, esp on track (no one is paying me for lap times though), but you definitely lose the analog feel, which makes the e92 special. I guess it can be compared to wearing a rubber and not wearing one...

LOL at rubber. My friend envisioned me at 70 still cruising around in the car...now I can make it "70 and still raw dogging it"