[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by bmrm396

I may be mistaken but my M3cs is about 3500lbs so I think the GTS has to be less than that...?

M4cs weigh 3,525~3,600lb depending on options. M3cs are heavier at 3,600~3,650 depending on options due to less weight reduction and heavier 4-door chassis. M4GTS has a rollcage plus boat anchor 0.5" wider 666M wheels and therefore weigh about the same as an M4cs.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

M4cs weigh 3,525~3,600lb depending on options. M3cs are heavier at 3,600~3,650 depending on options due to less weight reduction and heavier 4-door chassis. M4[SIZE="1"]GTS[/SIZE] has a rollcage plus boat anchor 0.5" wider 666M wheels and therefore weigh about the same as an M4cs.

Thanks for those numbers. What are your thoughts on the weight of this G8X?

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Thanks for those numbers. What are your thoughts on the weight of this G8X?

I find it weighs in a tad low compared to what I'd expect (by 30~50lb). From my own experience, I do not trust industrial scales for accurate "lower" weights reading, that's not their forte.

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by solstice

It's far from the lightest configuration. The car here has exec. package, full leather, upgraded 19/20 wheels and standard brakes, all of them add significant weight over the true lightest configuration.

Well not very accurate.
Bucket seat will offset the full leather and upgraded rims. Exce package is not more than 20-30 lb...
But who cares about 1660 kg vs 1650 kg?
With this much power, power to weight ratio is good for this car

[solstice]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Well not verru accurate.
Bucket seat will offset the full leather and upgraded rims. Exce package is not more than 20-30 lb...
But who cared about 1660 kg vs 1650 kg?
With this much power, power to weight ratio is good for this car

All of the configuration items I mentioned add weight to the lowest possible weight. I didn’t list the buckets since they are indeed the lightest seat option as such they also don’t cancel out anything from the lightest configuration as you elude to.

I agree with who cares though. All real life performance numbers point to that the new car will demolish all F8X performance on track, drag strip and street other than the GTS which it seems to be able to run pretty much toe to toe with. Oh but the wear on consumables someone adds, well being that much faster it will increase wear heavier or not

Who cares indeed of a few lbs when they are put to this good use. Luxuriously appointed as an M5 and drives like an M2 Evolve says in their latest video after 1500 miles with the car. Isn’t that bulls eye what an optimal M3 should be?

[stefan]

This is cute. Every time a new M3/4 generation comes out, everyone with a down payment tries to justify the weight. Wondering how fat it needs to get before people start demanding a trend reversal.

[PeregrineFalcon]

Originally Posted by stefan

This is cute. Every time a new M3/4 generation comes out, everyone with a down payment tries to justify the weight. Wondering how fat it needs to get before people start demanding a trend reversal.

Doesn't sound like people are complaining, it's actually the other way around

https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1814157

What I can tell you is that the G80 did not disappoint and performed very well, even on a smaller "chassis" track like Streets of Willow with many tight, off camber turns. A lot has been said about the weight of the G80 and now that people are actually getting their cars on the scale, depending on the build, are actually only ~150 lbs heavier than the previous F8X generation. To me the G80 actually felt more nimble and "tossable" than my F80 due to how much better sorted the suspension is with much sharper turn in and reduced body roll. The amount of speed you can take into a turn is next level compared to the F80. You can also apply more power earlier coming out of the turn without having to fight the rear end. As some professional reviewers have commented, the car almost feels as if it is AWD due to how planted it is. What about if you apply a little too much power coming out of a fast corner? Managing the car at the limit of grip is easy and progressive, largely because the chassis and steering communicate feedback back to the driver in ways the F80 did not.

[VIERsr]

To me it looks more like someone is annoyed because the car weighs less and drives better than they thought, and tries to prove the opposite for who knows what reason

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by VIERsr

To me it looks more like someone is annoyed because the car weighs less and drives better than they thought, and tries to prove the opposite for who knows what reason

It's just the same as ever

Haters gonna hate
Depositors gonna defend

[VIERsr]

It wouldn't be easier: look, drive, judge. If you like buy it, if you don't like pass over.

[Serious]

Originally Posted by stefan

This is cute. Every time a new M3/4 generation comes out, everyone with a down payment tries to justify the weight. Wondering how fat it needs to get before people start demanding a trend reversal.

Weight has actually been pretty stable since e92 generation.

If you want to see real weight gain go look at track record of 997 to 992 gen 911's.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Serious

Weight has actually been pretty stable since e92 generation.

If you want to see real weight gain go look at track record of 997 to 992 gen 911's.

I've brought this up before, but people ignore it since it's a P-Car.

[lancerr]

I'm appalled at the fat shaming of the G80/82. I think she is just big boned and seems to carry her weight well. I for one don't mind the extra chunk if its in the right place.

[KevinGS]

Originally Posted by lancerr

I'm appalled at the fat shaming of the G80/82. I think she is just big boned and seems to carry her weight well. I for one don't mind the extra chunk if its in the right place.

LOL 100% agree.

If you want a light, sports car, then BUY A LIGHT SPORTS CAR. It's 2021. So I want some luxury and some sound-deadening with my M3/4 now. It's a combo GT and occasional track fiend vehicle. I don't want to have to buy the larger executive cruise missile M5 to have some luxury trappings.

And you know there will be a CS version for you folks who want to save 100 pounds, so just wait.

But for me, I'll be enjoying all of the comfort features in my new M. Hec, I'm mad I can't kick underneath the trunk and the lid doesn't open hands-free.

[frankiebones]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I've brought this up before, but people ignore it since it's a P-Car.

meanwhile, Porsche gets a "start from scratch" model to build a sports car and M has to use the base model as their platform.

[xlover]

Weight question I didn't see addressed.... especially thinking about the comparisons to EU cars.
What is the weight of the OPF filter system?
The US (and a few other markets?) do not have this system. Is it a meaningful weight savings?

[VIERsr]

1,1 kg each, negligible.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by stefan

This is cute. Every time a new M3/4 generation comes out, everyone with a down payment tries to justify the weight. Wondering how fat it needs to get before people start demanding a trend reversal.

Realistically their hands are pretty much tied. I think they shrewdly left out a lighter lithium ion battery so they could have it in the CS or CSL and have easy weight savings. Other than that though they have to build with what they got, a heavy 3 series platform, and build to a price point. Yeah they could make some lighter wheels as standard I guess, but people love the complex spiderweb m3 wheels as big as possible anyway.

If buyers demanded the 3 series be smaller and lighter, it would trickle down to M, but that's not what buyers want in a 3 series.

So I mean what are they supposed to do? They don't get to design this thing from the ground up.

[uhNexus]

Originally Posted by m34m

I love all the justifications from what are obviously future buyers about this bloated, heinous monstrosity of a car. Sorry BMW but I'm out. Too bad because I've been in for every generation since the E36. End of the line I'm afraid.

You're crying over weight meanwhile the car does 0-60 in 2.5 and runs a mid-high 9 sec quarter mile with less than $5,000 in mods. Sad to see you go!

[OriginalJunglist]

Originally Posted by uhNexus

You're crying over weight meanwhile the car does 0-60 in 2.5 and runs a mid-high 9 sec quarter mile with less than $5,000 in mods. Sad to see you go!

Holy shit! Is this true? Just 5k to get that performance?

Sorry if I seem ignorant (I am), just starting to look into BMW after owning an RCF for 8 years.


GD that is awesome if really that easy!

[jmg]

Originally Posted by m34m

I love all the justifications from what are obviously future buyers about this bloated, heinous monstrosity of a car. Sorry BMW but I'm out. Too bad because I've been in for every generation since the E36. End of the line I'm afraid.

[uhNexus]

Originally Posted by OriginalJunglist

Holy shit! Is this true? Just 5k to get that performance?

Sorry if I seem ignorant (I am), just starting to look into BMW after owning an RCF for 8 years.


GD that is awesome if really that easy!

Absolutely! Look into Jb4, flex fuel sensor, and e40 fuel mix. Jb4 alone (at less than $1,000) will get you into mid 10s in the quarter mile with a 2.8-2.9 0-60. Ethanol mixture and better tires will get you into 9s with less than 2.5 second 0-60. This is with xDrive of course.