[TheBingoBalls]

Originally Posted by domino_z

By going off a cliff I mean well below manufacturers expectations to remain profitable - replacing their entire line up with ev’s at this stage would be suicidal, hence why they’re scaling back ev spending and continuing to develop/manufacture ice and hybrid models

That I agree with. And I think BMW of the 3 had the best strategy when it came to EV’s. Mercedes-Benz pretty much forced their dealer network with the EQs but the product wasn’t that good. Audi went in with the etron GT at $100k+ and they’re suffering too.

BMW was smart to diversify their line up while still primarily being ICE-focused when everyone was saying they were so behind the EV game. I guess they really knew what they were doing.

[Vmaxx]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

People do like EV’s…

February’s #’s doesn’t make the future

I’d personally rather suck glass through a straw than drive any Toyota

That’s your preference, which is totally fine, but again, the numbers don’t lie and the majority are saying Toyota got it right and they are saying that with their wallets.

[Game]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

Very interesting take on the subject

Just because you believe things doesn’t make any of it come true

Can’t speak for other brands, but BMW EV’s are sitting on lots and dealers are desperate to give them away. All models.

[NSX2M4]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

People do like EV’s…

February’s #’s doesn’t make the future

I’d personally rather suck glass through a straw than drive any Toyota

I laugh when people post these bullshit EV slump articles. They're just expensive and it's America's last defense to stop High volumes of Chinese or start up companies from stealing from Detroit which has long been the governments bitch.
Picked up my R1S in February, absolutely love it, and my Chevron bill went from 280 a month to 40-50 a month. Electric bill has not changed at all, ZERO.
Drink the kool aid!

[darksilkx1]

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/09/b...e=articleShare

[Vmaxx]

Originally Posted by Game

Can’t speak for other brands, but BMW EV’s are sitting on lots and dealers are desperate to give them away. All models.

It’s not just BMW, it’s almost all EV makers. The only way they can sell them is to lower prices, leverage government rebates and tax credits, and additional dealer incentives! And Tesla’s margins are evaporating faster than a puddle of water on a hot Texas day. Even they are cranking up the incentives while also lowering prices.

On the flip side, what have we been seeing for the past 4yrs? Prices on most ICE vehicles increasing every year, sometimes multiple times per year! There is an obvious reason for such a contrast between the two different types of vehicles and that’s demand. The demand for ICE vehicles is not only dominant, but in the past few months, it’s been growing.

[Vmaxx]

Originally Posted by NSX2M4

I laugh when people post these bullshit EV slump articles. They're just expensive and it's America's last defense to stop High volumes of Chinese or start up companies from stealing from Detroit which has long been the governments bitch.
Picked up my R1S in February, absolutely love it, and my Chevron bill went from 280 a month to 40-50 a month. Electric bill has not changed at all, ZERO.
Drink the kool aid!

Expensive? How so? The majority of EVs out there with incentives are not only similarly priced to comparably equipped ICE models, but they are often cheaper! For example, cost of a Tesla Model 3 versus a comparably equipped Corolla. Also, the Ford Lightning can be had for less than a comparably equipped ICE model, and yet nobody wants them!

The Rivian is a great vehicle, congrats btw. But it’s another example, when you compare it’s equipment and performance it’s actually much cheaper than comparable ICE models and even with their very enticing lease and promotional offers they still sell nowhere near the amount of their ICE competitors. The demand is simply not there yet, and perhaps will never be.

And let’s not forget the prices of used EVs, they are dirt cheap! Many of them lose 50% of their value in two years. So I would honestly say that EVs are currently the more affordable option.

[tsbrown]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

Toyota got it wrong.

Toyota has only made a compliance car.

Now Toyota is lobbying to slow the domino-effect… Toyota now has so much catching up to do it’s absolutely ridiculous.

I’m betting Toyota knows more about their global customer needs than any of us here, just like BMW does. The US is very different from Europe, Africa, etc. And everyone has different needs. BEV and PHEV don’t work for my situation but if it works for you, have at it.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by Game

Can’t speak for other brands, but BMW EV’s are sitting on lots and dealers are desperate to give them away. All models.

Maybe it’s your local store but BMW are selling well with an exception of the XM

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by NSX2M4

I laugh when people post these bullshit EV slump articles. They're just expensive and it's America's last defense to stop High volumes of Chinese or start up companies from stealing from Detroit which has long been the governments bitch.
Picked up my R1S in February, absolutely love it, and my Chevron bill went from 280 a month to 40-50 a month. Electric bill has not changed at all, ZERO.
Drink the kool aid!

I love it…

Congrats on the Rivian

All they’re spreading is FUD

Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt ❕

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by antzcrashing

So when BMW is going to admit (through changing their marketing and sales techniques), that USA wants effectively nothing to do with fully electric toy cars, and everything to do with hybrids? I give it 1-3 years tops.

Strawman much?

[F32Fleet]

This collaboration reminds me of the time BMW invested in a company producing carbon fiber. BMWwas using it to build the tub for the i3/i8 and 7 series.

[Ev0lutionx]

Originally Posted by Seba77W

Yes this is the best news for both groups so far regarding electric powered cars. BMW EVs are about to be top of the line! Just don’t let Hammond near one 😂🤣.

Hammond! 😂 Thank God he walked away from that.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by F32Fleet

This collaboration reminds me of the time BMW invested in a company producing carbon fiber. BMWwas using it to build the tub for the i3/i8 and 7 series.

I’m not sure they should’ve ever sold their interests

I often wonder if the carbon fiber used today on BMWs is still coming out of the Moses Lake plant

[Game]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

Maybe it’s your local store but BMW are selling well with an exception of the XM

Actually checked today and there are over 1000 EV’s sitting in P5 in the country. Excluding XM’s and I7’s. For reference, I believe there are less than 5 total gas cars that don’t start with a 7 or 8.

Sure they’re selling here and there, but gas is still king. Like most manufacturers the EV’s uptick in success has a lot to do with amazing incentives (lower APR, MF, rebates). You can lease a iX for around the same price of a X3…that’s a 40k difference in MSRP.

[tsbrown]

Originally Posted by Game

Actually checked today and there are over 1000 EV’s sitting in P5 in the country. Excluding XM’s and I7’s. For reference there are less than 5 total gas cars that don’t start with a 7 or 8.

Sure they’re selling here and there, but gas is still king. Whoring out the EV’s with amazing incentives and money factors has helped tremendously. You can lease a
iX for around the same price of a X3…that’s a 40k difference in MSRP.

Stop that! Don’t ever let facts get in the way of a good story. Shame on you!

[Blue Angel]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

Toyota got it wrong.

Toyota has only made a compliance car.

Now Toyota is lobbying to slow the domino-effect… Toyota now has so much catching up to do it’s absolutely ridiculous.

Catching up to what exactly? Market demand, or government mandates? The trend in the market right now is OVERWHELMINGLY towards PHEV. Brand after brand are rolling out new PHEV strategies.

Everyone laughed at Toyota for being behind the curve, L O freaking L!!! Now everyone is following them. Geez, maybe they know a thing or two about the auto market. I’ve never owned a Toyota and don’t plan to, but man, give credit where it’s due.

EVs will come, don’t worry, we’ll get there. Just not quite as fast as the fanatics want. When we finally get that better cheaper battery we’ve been promised for 15+ years EVs will make sense and everyone will buy them. Until then, chill out.

[Blue Angel]

Originally Posted by gblansten

Amen. Hybrid is heavier than EVs and slower and heavier than ICE. I see no point.

Except if you need a vehicle that has none of the many drawbacks of an EV, but still want the efficiency of an EV for daily commuting. PHEV makes perfect sense and the market seems to agree.

[Blue Angel]

Tesla is dropping prices again, putting cash on the hood, and for the first time is seeing inventory. Their production is outpacing demand, and the stock market is adjusting their value.

The party’s over, kids. Too bad, I was hoping Elon would buy up some more social media!

[domino_z]

Originally Posted by NSX2M4

I laugh when people post these bullshit EV slump articles. They're just expensive and it's America's last defense to stop High volumes of Chinese or start up companies from stealing from Detroit which has long been the governments bitch.
Picked up my R1S in February, absolutely love it, and my Chevron bill went from 280 a month to 40-50 a month. Electric bill has not changed at all, ZERO.
Drink the kool aid!

lol have you seen what Detroit looks like

I’m not even murican and even I know your fed gov stopped giving a fk about Detroit long before you could buy a modern day ev

Ev’s are expensive because of the high volume of rare earth minerals from around the globe, most sourced under poor humanitarian conditions, needed to build the core components

[Blue Angel]

Originally Posted by domino_z

lol have you seen what Detroit looks like

I’m not even murican and even I know your fed gov stopped giving a fk about Detroit long before you could buy a modern day ev

Ev’s are expensive because of the high volume of rare earth minerals from around the globe, most sourced under poor humanitarian conditions, needed to build the core components

Gov plays up Detroit and Auto Unions for votes, that’s all. They don’t care about the auto industry, if they did they’d have saved it from competition decades ago! Along with all the rest of manufacturing that’s left. Nothing is made in North America anymore. A continent of consumers.

[Blue Angel]

Originally Posted by NSX2M4

Picked up my R1S in February… …Electric bill has not changed at all, ZERO.

Bull
Sh!t

Unless you’re not driving it.