[02M3ForMe]

Originally Posted by Hit_Apex

I don't. And if exists I would be shocked. One car per M dealer. One car for high selling non M dealers.

Sure, though multiple folks in this very thread have MSRP allocations. It’s possible.

[Hit_Apex]

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

Sure, though multiple folks in this very thread have MSRP allocations. It’s possible.

It's worth putting out there. As precarious as the world is right now interest could flip in a hurry.

[Andrae26]

Originally Posted by ghaffari46

I'll buy 2 m4 manual with that money.

Can you drive 2 cars at once?

[Hit_Apex]

Originally Posted by Andrae26

Can you drive 2 cars at once?

Nah, but both will depreciate at the same rate just sitting on the couch. M4 CSL might too, but from what I can tell so far, smart money says no.

[PLF69]

Originally Posted by Higgs Boson

If they charged over MSRP in Canada would they apologize to you afterwards?

It's illegal plane and simple. Protects consumers from crying for days and weeks on forums about being ****** without lube by there dealers.

[ptgltw]

Originally Posted by WAB

80% as good as a GT3? Hahaha

It's about 80% of the price of a GT3 and probably about 40% as good. Ever owned a Porsche GT product, you will know.

Will be interesting. I own a 991.2 GT3 Touring and it is one of the best cars Porsche ever made IMO.

I'll be getting the M4 CSL and while I wish it was a GTS package for the track, it is what is is.

Also on an trivial note: I own a 1995 LTW which internally (with BMW) was coded as a CSL but marketed to consumers as a LTW.

[ptgltw]

Originally Posted by Quadruple VANOS

Anybody able to confirm fair market value is MSRP yet?

Yessir.

[ScullyD]

Originally Posted by ptgltw

Will be interesting. I own a 991.2 GT3 Touring and it is one of the best cars Porsche ever made IMO.

I'll be getting the M4 CSL and while I wish it was a GTS package for the track, it is what is is.

Also on an trivial note: I own a 1995 LTW which internally (with BMW) was coded as a CSL but marketed to consumers as a LTW.

The LTW was one of a kind. Michelin used it to test tires up until only a few years ago.

[ccase04]

lol 140k

[Cortexiphan]

Originally Posted by ccase04

lol 140k

I know right? It’s ridiculously cheap for what it is.
It’ll be $200K on resale like next year.
Even if you can’t drive it it makes sense to buy it as an investment.

[PLF69]

Originally Posted by Cortexiphan

I know right? It’s ridiculously cheap for what it is.
It’ll be $200K on resale like next year.
Even if you can’t drive it it makes sense to buy it as an investment.

This is also my reasonning for grabbing one and the fact just enjoying this kind of machine on track days will be pure bliss.

I think the CSL will follow what happened with the M2CS and M5CS, I was the first to put down the M2CS as way too pricey for marginal additions but at the final it was one of the most enjoyable car you could drive and on top of that it was limited AND didnt run the N-Ring that fast.. Now used ones are selling for over MSRP.

Everyone compares the CSL to the GTS but its just not the same car, at all. If its a great drivers car its value will go up and when I read the documentation my dealer sent me, I have a hard time thinking it won't be the case, the guys at M spent a shit ton of time thinkering and oning that thing !

[Higgs Boson]

yeah, the reason it isn't a "new gts" is because BMW learned their lesson with that one and did it right this time.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Higgs Boson

yeah, the reason it isn't a "new gts" is because BMW learned their lesson with that one and did it right this time.

Agreed!

[Sunnystone]

Im confused with all the GT3 references tbh (other than to compare on price) and those who are disappointed that a slightly tweaked front engined quick family coupe isnt as competitive as a rear engined, 2 seater track car around a track?!

The CSL is damn quick enough for a mid sized formerly family coupe. Jeeeeez

[solstice]

Originally Posted by Sunnystone

Im confused with all the GT3 references tbh (other than to compare on price) and those who are disappointed that a slightly tweaked front engined quick family coupe isnt as competitive as a rear engined, 2 seater track car around a track?!

The CSL is damn quick enough for a mid sized formerly family coupe. Jeeeeez

The CSL badge comes with expectations and history to compare with a 911 GT, even a GT RS…

https://www.whichcar.com.au/features...v-911-gt3-0204

https://classicmotorsports.com/artic...ation-faceoff/

[Higgs Boson]

Originally Posted by solstice

The CSL badge comes with expectations and history to compare with a 911 GT, even a GT RS…

https://www.whichcar.com.au/features...v-911-gt3-0204

https://classicmotorsports.com/artic...ation-faceoff/

M3CSL turned a 7:50

Click this link and you will see 7:20 is not slow, the M4CSL is nothing to be ashamed of.

https://www.stuttcars.com/porsche-nu...ck%20in%202015.

The 992 GT3 just raised the bar disproportionately at 6:52 and the 300k+ purchase price reflects it. The new GT3 is not in the same league as anything BMW has to offer.

I would focus on the fact that for 140k and with a front engine rear drive platform it will outrun a 488 and pretty much all purchasable 911's more than 2 years old....that's pretty fkn cool. Not to mention it is more unique than a GT3 which are almost like a dime a dozen even at inflated prices and I think it looks awesome. my order is white with no red stripes and a July production. ;-) Maybe I am biased.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by Higgs Boson

M3CSL turned a 7:50

Click this link and you will see 7:20 is not slow, the M4CSL is nothing to be ashamed of.

https://www.stuttcars.com/porsche-nu...ck%20in%202015.

The 992 GT3 just raised the bar disproportionately at 6:52 and the 300k+ purchase price reflects it. The new GT3 is not in the same league as anything BMW has to offer.

I would focus on the fact that for 140k and with a front engine rear drive platform it will outrun a 488 and pretty much all purchasable 911's more than 2 years old....that's pretty fkn cool. Not to mention it is more unique than a GT3 which are almost like a dime a dozen even at inflated prices and I think it looks awesome. my order is white with no red stripes and a July production. ;-) Maybe I am biased.

I’m not arguing those points, I agree with them. However comparing a CSL with a GT3 is not outrageous as some seem to think since it’s been successfully done before. As I understand the original CSL beat everything Porsche had until they released the 2.7 RS. The E46 was comparable to the 996 GT3.

This new CSL is not, it is said to have a different aim and be positioned as a better street car than the GT3. I suspect it is and it is a very fast car. But the fact remain, as a new CSL comparing it with the GT3 is fair game based on history. It doesn’t mean it’s a failure. I like the car and think it’s going to be very well received by those who get to drive it.

[Higgs Boson]

Yes, I agree but the 992 GT3 has moved to another level vs literally everything else that exists.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by Higgs Boson

Yes, I agree but the 992 GT3 has moved to another level vs literally everything else that exists.

I wouldn’t say that but anything BMW for sure, until the hommage
The CSL probably would need another 100 hp to compete, and a fat wing…

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by lemetier

Partially…

CSL is more of what the majority WANTED from the previous GTS in lieu of what actually was.

A harder core alternative that's a bit more than what the previous GTS was, shouldn't be dismissed

That’s not quite how BMW pitched a few years back, where they said the CSL was born for the racetrack and sitting at the top of the lineup.

I guess they revised the strategy and decided to tone down the CSL.

[Gunnerforlife]

I wanted to say that whoever is getting the car at MSRP is lucky and has a good deal. I asked around a LOT of dealer here in the Northeast and a couple whom I've done business with and everyone wants ADM. The ADM ranges from $20k to $50k.

[ScullyD]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

That's not quite how BMW pitched a few years back, where they said the CSL was born for the racetrack and sitting at the top of the lineup.

I guess they revised the strategy and decided to tone down the CSL.

Yeah it sounds like they toned it down and decided to make the CSL between the way the CSL and CS was listed on that slide, and then just delete the CS model altogether for the M4.