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Car manufacturers and tire manufacturers have worked together for many decades developing bespoke tires for all types of cars, not just performance. The Bridgestone tires originally developed for the NA1 NSX had negative toe molded into the front tires and positive toe molded into the rear tires. Doing this improved the handling and turn-in performance but it also resulted in tires wearing out in < 5k miles. |
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03-25-2024, 10:33 AM | #24 |
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I just want to say that I actually have more confidence in the Indy500s in the rain than I did in the Michelin PSS tires when I ran those. Not sure what their issue was, but they actually could not push enough water away for me to drive the speeds I do in the Indys and again, felt a little vague and squirmy in the turns both dry and wet. I wanted to love them, but didn’t. Maybe it’s my driving style or my feel preference I want from the tires, but they felt wonky to me. Considering I replaced two of them due to sidewall punctures and when I later replaced all 4 and saw how bad outside tread chunking was chewing things up, I will never buy another Michelin again.
Take a look at the attached pic. This was an Indy500 that I replaced two sets ago on the S4 which at the time had a slight toe problem and hence the front inner scrubbing like that. That got addressed, but the reason I’m posting is to show that even with that much abuse, the tires all the way down past the wear indicators was still not chunking (look how crisp the outside thread edges still are) and even in this condition, the tire was still sticky and still had traction in the dry. Also, even at this level, the stability and predictability was still there in terms of what the rubber compound could do. That to me speaks volumes because I’ve seen tires fall off on ability to perform well before this type of limit. Last edited by SwankPeRFection; 03-25-2024 at 10:42 AM.. |
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But I'm very curious to see how a potential SC7 (if our sizes ever get released) does vs a potential PS5S whenever that becomes a reality. |
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Also, I have had a couple of friends say they felt weird driving them initially because they tend to be fairly quiet as they start to reach the limit, so you get the tire slipping on the pavement sound, but you don’t get the crazy ass screeching associated with it. Those used to listening for that feedback and not using feel of the car instead (which is what you’re supposed to do) initially had probs with confidence in the tires. They’re not for everyone, but I’ve done a tone of SCCA runs in them on multiple cars and to me, I feel it’s pissing money away on Michelins to get like less than a 5% increase is supposedly traction… which based on my findings, I couldn’t justify. Now I will say this… if you’re RWD only, these may not be your cup of tea based on how you drive, but AWD, I stop it and go rain or shine, no issues whatsoever and it doesn’t feel squirmy like I’m rolling the sidewall in turns as the Michelins did. YMMV |
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03-26-2024, 11:16 AM | #29 |
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I’ve ran them on previous cars. They are good, very popular for autocross as well.
They are a little noisy, and treadwear isn’t as great as Michelin’s but I’d rate them higher than the pirellis for sure. |
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03-26-2024, 11:35 AM | #30 |
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The consensus on these always seems to be great for the money. But if you've spent the money on a g8x I think it makes sense to spend an extra 50% on tires for an extra 5% of grip. Tires affect every aspect of the drive, and lots of people spend plenty more on other upgrades that won’t improve things as much.
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Technically it’s ~ $500 more for Michelins, depending on some things, but still… that’s like a BM3 license. In the end, it’s not about being cheap and cheaping out, it’s about what you want to spend for very similar results. Everyone can pick whatever, it’s their money, but there are options and good ones out there. Anyone throwing their nose up and buying the most expensive because they think it’s the best there is, needs to probably educate themselves more. But then again, I always get a good laugh at people who always only go with manufacturer’s suggested options. I just can’t take that shit seriously, I’m sorry. It’s always the ones who don’t work on their own cars, probably paid someone to add mods to it, but say they know their shit. 🤣
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Oh I know, I was just quoting his numbers.
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I think so, because the 50% here (aka an extra $500) in the context of the entire ownership cost of a G8x is not 50%. But 5% extra grip really means 5% better braking, 5% better traction off the line, 5% better cornering.
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03-26-2024, 04:53 PM | #36 |
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Not exactly. It's 50% of the cost of tires over the lifetime (or ownership) of the car. Tires are a consumable so it's more than $500. Not to mention, 5% "increase in grip" won't equate to a better experience in every situation (are they 5% better in the wet? are they 5% better in the cold? are they 5% better once you get down to 5-6/32 tread wear?). Too many variables, but hey only you can say whether it's worth it for you. If you care about grip and handling so much, and are wiling to make sacrifices on other performance metrics (and don't care about cost), you are probably looking at an even stickier tire altogether.
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Why don't you upgrade to a better tire then? You will get your 5% better grip for $500 extra by moving to say a Cup 2.
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We can make all the argument we want about something being $500 less or only 5% more, but, the fact of the matter is, if this were the case, we would all be in the G20 forum, and not the G80 forum. We could get 90% of the car for 60% of the money, but, here we are.
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Im on the back end of catching up with society, when it comes to retirement funding, so, I need to invest and save a little more aggressively than others to reach my retirement goals. So, with Porsches $20k "just because" price hike, Its not going to be in the cards, unless I just don't care about the next 9 years. Plus, I tried to order one, in 2021 when I ordered my G82 and out of 7 dealers, I couldn't get an allocation for a build.
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Eh, 0-60 in 3.8. 1/4 in 12.3 @115. same motor minus one turbo and one extra fuel pump. And maybe some rods.
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