[jpdchicago]

Originally Posted by JT88

Im hearing bmw will also actually be making the 3.0 CSL as very limited model based off the M4

Not US bound unfortunately. And probably all sold already...

[PLF69]

Originally Posted by jpdchicago

Surprised there is no roll cage. May be it will be an option. That is a lot of wasted space with the rear seat deleted. it is going to look cavernous in there.
I know if is supposed to be a lightweight but both the M3 gts and the M4 gts had a roll cage. Good for rigidity and safety.
It still won't be light even with 200lbs weight reduction... so why not?

Regulations depending on market probably.

[Mani59]

Hi all, can we please keep this on topic and be respectful to each other.

Thanks

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by Mani59

Hi all, can we please keep this on topic and be respectful to each other.

Thanks

It's interesting

I made a comment in response to some trashtalker which comment was appraised by several people as it was factual, and it got removed

Yet the trashtalker's comment remains on foot

Thank you, democracy

[Poochie]

Is this one going be sold by invitation only or did BMW learn their lesson this time around and realized that everyone's money is just as green as each other?

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[ScullyD]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Is this one going be sold by invitation only or did BMW learn their lesson this time around and realized that everyone's money is just as green as each other?

.

Absolutely 0 chance they do this again, as it backfired quite badly.

[PLF69]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Is this one going be sold by invitation only or did BMW learn their lesson this time around and realized that everyone's money is just as green as each other?

.

I can confirm No but nothing stops dealers to keep the cars and sell them to whoever they want.

[Bruse Wayne]

any word if the CSL will receive 3 pedals or will that stay only on standard m4?

[PLF69]

Originally Posted by Bruse Wayne

any word if the CSL will receive 3 pedals or will that stay only on standard m4?

They are supposed to come up with a GT/H model that is setup like a CSL with a manual transmission but should be Europe market only.

[Davil]

In other news, the "other csl" sounds tasty. Based on M4 CSL but 100kg lighter.

https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/bmw...-hommage-model

[Soylent]

Originally Posted by Davil

In other news, the "other csl" sounds tasty. Based on M4 CSL but 100kg lighter.

https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/bmw...-hommage-model

The original 3.0 CSL was a work of art. This thing is gross.

[Erebor]

Originally Posted by Davil

In other news, the "other csl" sounds tasty. Based on M4 CSL but 100kg lighter.

https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/bmw...-hommage-model

The Hommage will be limited to 50 cars worldwide and cost a fortune. Heard rumors from a dealer, price beeing over 500k here in Switzerland. So at least over 400k in US.

[RPM33]

Originally Posted by Erebor

The Hommage will be limited to 50 cars worldwide and cost a fortune. Heard rumors from a dealer, price beeing over 500k here in Switzerland. So at least over 400k in US.

Way too much money for a BMW plus only about 50 units and supposedly not US bound.

[Csmike]

Anyone else see the m3csl in the background? Can't wait to see these out of the camo

[Erebor]

Originally Posted by Csmike

Anyone else see the m3csl in the background? Can't wait to see these out of the camo

There is no M3 CSL. "Only" a CS.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by Erebor

There is no M3 CSL. "Only" a CS.

There’s a silver grey E46 M3 CSL there

[Erebor]

Originally Posted by solstice

There’s a silver grey E46 M3 CSL there

Ah you mean the e46. The "out of camo" got me confused.

[Purekoryo]

Originally Posted by RPM33

I wonder how the M4 CSL steering will be. Usually people complain about numb steering.

Agreed. Steering could be vastly improved especially with it being track focused. My wife's GLB35AMG has much better steering feedback.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Is this one going be sold by invitation only or did BMW learn their lesson this time around and realized that everyone's money is just as green as each other?

Some food for thought about 'limited edition':

"Why was BMW sued by American E28 M5 owners?
When BMW of North America first announced the E28 M5 in late 1986, production was said to be limited to 500 cars. This same production limit was also specifically mentioned in the original U.S.-market sales brochure. By the time production of the E28 M5 ended in November of 1987, however, over 1,200 examples had been produced for the U.S. market. Thus, a class action lawsuit was filed against BMW of North America in 1991 by E28 M5 owners who claimed that the collector's value of their cars was diminished by the greater volume. The company settled the case by giving E28 M5 owners a $4,000 certificate (transferable to anyone) that could be applied towards the purchase or lease of a new BMW."
(source: here)

BMW flaunted "700" and "limited edition" in F82 M4 GTS press materials, promoting exclusivity. The M4 GTS brochure indicated: "In fact, the top performance of the new BMW M4 GTS only knows one limit: the limited number of just 700 vehicles worldwide" (see here):





High demand by dealers, greedy speculators and genuine customers likely induced BMW to break its "just 700" promise. 803 were sold (830 were made, including pre-production, press and demo cars) (see here and here). Speculators (coin flippers) found out rather quickly that a 'let's make a quick buck' frenzy wouldn't materialize with the M4 GTS. Indeed, it didn't bode well. Genuine customers, on the other hand, don't care: they prefer enjoying their cars - that's usually the main reason why they bought the car in the first place.

The M4 GTS production increase wasn't announced - it was discovered, and not quite appreciated, to say the least (see for example the dedicated thread here).

To add insult to injury, subsequently BMW introduced the M4 DTM Champion Edition ("limited edition"): 200 cars with an even higher price-tag. Actually, it was an M4 GTS with a different aero package, some added BMW M livery and a funky name (see here): "The M4 DTM Champion Edition is basically the second coming of the M4 GTS, which wowed the automotive world last year with its awesome water injection technology. As you'd expect this car is rarer than the one it's based on, with just 200 units set for production; the M4 GTS had a production run of 700 cars. Another thing that sets the M4 DTM Champion Edition apart from the M4 GTS is its price: €148,550 ($163,376). The M4 GTS was sold for $134,200, with the markup for the new car likely owing to its collectible status. That's the only conclusion we could come to as the two M4s are basically the same." (here).

And then there was also the Ferrari Enzo: "399 + 1 for the Pope" was the official Ferrari tag line. However...

"How many did you say?
As for being one of 400 built, thanks to historians like Gerald Roush of the Ferrari Market Letter, a well-known member of the serial number swapping group to which I belong, we have confirmed records on 446 Enzos to date, and the list is growing. This is obviously well over the official number of 399 plus 1 used by Ferrari.
How can this be? Very simple; Ferrari is a “for profit” organization, and once the development and production costs of the Enzo were paid for, each extra car delivered at $650,000 or so had a very large profit margin built in. Add a lot of wealthy and well-connected owners who were miffed that they were not on the lucky list of 400, and you have a burgeoning market making wealthy clients happy by making “extra” cars. So much for the one of 400 myth…."
(source: here - see also here and here)

"I'm up to 501 Enzo serial numbers, and have it on good authority that between 520-540 were built."
"My count does not include those cars whose VINs were re-assigned to brand new Enzos that were dubbed as "repaired" when they were really replacements. So, I guess you can add another, say, half dozen or so to the list if you count those as well."
(source: here)

Anyways, "limited edition", what's in a name ? In a way, in the grand scheme of things, any car model production is 'limited' in production time and quantities.

[TJR_///M3]

https://apple.news/Ar3Md0h_tQ_SGN8ixM9u9Bw

Hmmm….

[atl_1M]

Red outline on grill

[n55f15]

Might be the lighting, but it doesn't look like the grille has the y-shaped inserts as seen on the prototypes