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Many years ago when I was a wee tot, I bought a Buick Grand National. I had no interest in the car really, until a friend of mine took me for a ride in his. Then I drove my own car to the Buick dealership and said "that one over there, please".
One reason I wasn't interested was because C/D R&T or whatever, really panned it. Then a year later, another reviewer just loved it. It's really quite subjective. So, yes maybe the article is pushing a particular point of view, but overall it's quite positive and identifies that the car perhaps has shifted and evolved from the raw track beast E30 that would beat the tar out of you driving on the street, to the quite relaxed and comfortable G8x that will take you to the track and perform quite admirably, if maybe not quite at the level of a GT3. At least that was my take on it.
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You're ticking literally almost every option to get an M4 up to the 911's base price.
I tried to spec an equivalent 911 but got lost in all the options in the configurator . Gotta imagine it's at least 20-30k more expensive for a comparably equipped car. |
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I highly doubt that in rennlist, you have hundreds and hundreds of comments in any new Porsche launch saying 'for that price I'd buy a Macca', etc etc. Highly doubt it. The amount of Porsche fanboys that insist on spending their time in M3/BMW forums just to say that whatever the use case, whatever the price, whatever the question their cars are better is amazing. That they don't get banned is annoying, as they are not adding anything to the conversation.
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I'd also like to propose the Nobel prize in Mathematics be shared between a forum member and Motortrend.
They have both discovered a fascinating and completely unexpected mathematical curiosity: that when you take car A and add all the options, eventually it gets to the base price of car B!! Incredible!! Who would have known!! |
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You're not "proving something to BMW" by buying a 911 instead of a G80, you're just proving that you're shopping in a different segment. I think the stark reality is that there's a huge amount of people that hate how the G80 looks, and from there simply found facts to help support their theory that "BMW is garbage now." No matter how much you point out that the new car is only 100lbs heavier, that it's faster in every way, and that it's noted as being just as agile, they will refuse to face those facts. So then you're just left with a group of people, plenty of whom no longer even own BMWs, complaining that things aren't like the good old days and using the new M3 as their vehicle to make that point. Sociologists would have a field day with these folks. |
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The Motortrend guy who wrote "I expected to hate it, but after driving it on the track it drove pretty well". The guy is a motor journalist and 'expected to hate' a RWD, inline 6 car that can be bought brand new for 70k with a manual? What car does he get into 'expecting to love'? Something 2x the price? I'm heavily in the track world and it's so wonderful to use these normal cars to annihilate the same people who believe their car should be unbeatable (usually Porsche drivers) right where they think they have the biggest advantage: at the track. Their lack of comprehension about what just happened is absolute.
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Kia/Hyundai et al lol, those are what's trendy these days...
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RWD car, available 6MT, 70k starting price, ~50/50 weight distribution. "I expect to hate it" said no intelligent person ever
Perhaps a second Nobel prize is due for the people who have discovered that if you use stock cars and one car is designed to be a jack of all trades and can do all kinds of different things and the other is a vehicle that's extremely focused for just one thing, then the second vehicle will feel better. Also an incredible discovery! Meanwhile, you can pee your pants laughing reading Rennlist where owners of moderate 991s, like the GTS, talk about removing the wheel well covers and adding sound deadening because they can't take it after driving 2h... And here we have to hear idiots trying to convince us that GTx cars are fully comparable to M3s, just with a little less space.
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There's no denying that BMWs of the 2010s - today lack the visceral and engaging nature of their predecessors. However with that being said, "fun" is subjective and changes with time.
I used to think that no modern could be as "fun" as the E9X, however there are a handful of cars that have proven me wrong. While I am an addict for road feel, I can still enjoy a car that has tight, precise steering even if it isn't brimming with road feel. I've yet to drive the G8X, and my sentiments of the two G20 variants are similar to what R&D has written here, however I still find these cars to be "fun" enough to earn my money.
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Safe to say almost everyone wants BMW to excel in their respective class. M3 especially. Road & Track including. Car enthusiasts are passionate about BMW, deep down; hence if they don't deliver a product to their liking, people get riled up more than that they would if it were a Mercedes, for example.
I don't think anyone expected or hoped that BMW would build a new M3 that is objectively worse than the outgoing model. This car, from what I read, delivers great performance and is objectively better and more capable. If you want a new car and don't mind the styling, then go get it. This article praised the car in a lot of ways. I see no wrong with it.
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LOL
You probably should stop letting other people live rent free in your head
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Yeah but base 911's are kind of a myth. They exist on the website but you will never see a new one for sale on a dealer lot and very, very, very few people will ever order a base from the factory.
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Yeah I can remember the days (been a subscriber since the early 90's) when they were accused of being BMW fanboys but that ended a decade ago. C&D absolutely despised the F3x and was lukewarm on the F8x. They have been pretty punishing on BMW since then.
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