[lch6257]

Originally Posted by MachinesWithSouls

3 years from now on Bimmerpost front page...

"S58 shows abnormal bearing/crank hub wear"

Not from break in revs if the crank hub were to be an issue on G80. A couple of times is fine, your just not supposed to beat on it until break in. I have had three BMW cars and 5 of there motorcycles over the years. Pulled each of them hard couple times before break in svc and never an issue. In fact, traded my 2007 R1200GS in to dealership with 42k on the odometer in great condition for a new 1200XR and got 45% of original cost on trade.

[MachinesWithSouls]

Originally Posted by lch6257

Not from break in revs if the crank hub were to be an issue on G80. A couple of times is fine, your just not supposed to beat on it until break in. I have had three BMW cars and 5 of there motorcycles over the years. Pulled each of them hard couple times before break in svc and never an issue. In fact, traded my 2007 R1200GS in to dealership with 42k on the odometer in great condition for a new 1200XR and got 45% of original cost on trade.

Bike motors are very different.

People that leased an E92 didn't care about the car at 42,000 miles. And BMW certainly doesn't give you the 1200 service from the goodness of their hearts. So it needs it.

[lch6257]

Originally Posted by MachinesWithSouls

Bike motors are very different.

People that leased an E92 didn't care about the car at 42,000 miles. And BMW certainly doesn't give you the 1200 service from the goodness of their hearts. So it needs it.

What car at 42k? An R1200GS is two wheels. As long as you get the oil temp up and properly warm a BMW up, old or new, it will be fine with a few hard pulls even a couple during break in. German cars are made for high tolerances, but like any maker can fail. The break in svc is very important on their bikes and of course cars as the fluid changes are done to flush out any fine metal shavings that "may" happen on a new motor by any maker. The reason they want you to not rev a new engine out is because the fine particles can cause engine damage or wear if they were circulating at high rpm(greater risk of damage). However, they very rarely find anything when fluids are dumped. It's mainly precautionary. So, sure there is a risk, even at low rpm which goes up at higher rpm.

I buy them to keep em, don't do leases.

[Fugly M3]

Originally Posted by watermelon3878

Surely that can't be 500 WHP, I'm guessing they plugged in a calculation to "convert" to crank? When they showed the screen in the dyno room on one of those runs I saw something like 430, so I'm guessing that's the raw WHP number. Worth keeping in mind that the ran the dyno with the front wheels connected, and even if they didn't, it would be an expected, if not impressive, number. Their calculation sounds right, but it bugs me that they didn't present the WHP number.

Perhaps 500 whp is high, but 430 whp seems low...that's closer to F80/2 I'd think.

[NISFAN]

Originally Posted by F8SEVEN

Perhaps 500 whp is high, but 430 whp seems low...that's closer to F80/2 I'd think.

It's a European dyno, showing European horses. Not in any way comparable to that phoney dynojet STD smoothing junk.

430whp is a strong number. F82C are less than 400 at the wheels.

[ND40oz]

Originally Posted by NISFAN

It's a European dyno, showing European horses. Not in any way comparable to that phoney dynojet STD smoothing junk.

430whp is a strong number. F82C are less than 400 at the wheels.

Sport Auto tested the M4 CS at 488 PS and the M2 CS at 491 PS. Probably easiest to wait for them to test the G80/G82 to get a real comparison. Who knows what's really going on with the CWhPHp and CEngHp figures that this video is showing.

"I really wanted to hit 500 HP, so we adjusted the correction factor to do so..."

[BMthusiast]

I was looking at the specs of the new RS5 to see where it stacks up and I don't see how any Audi driver could justify choosing it over the G80 or G82.

[robopp]

Originally Posted by josehb

Yes, it looks like something is done to the engine thru software and the engine can be rev beyond 5500 rpm, which appears to be the limit before this service.

I can say without a doubt that I was able to hit 7200 when I test drove a G80 M3. Bounced off the rev limiter a bunch of times spinning the tires.

[KoenG]

Originally Posted by Kuato2084

I was looking at the specs of the new RS5 to see where it stacks up and I don't see how any Audi driver could justify choosing it over the G80 or G82.

A car is more than number alone. When not, we might consider composing a mixed weighted basket of numbers and decide the highest composed score is the best car.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by Kuato2084

I was looking at the specs of the new RS5 to see where it stacks up and I don't see how any Audi driver could justify choosing it over the G80 or G82.

Looks, interior quality and Quattro. Frankly, Audi interior is still much nicer than even the G80 interior.

[M2Cmtl]

more tire noise than exhaust noise... them OPF filters really kill the sound.

[Flamingi]

Originally Posted by watermelon3878

Surely that can't be 500 WHP, I'm guessing they plugged in a calculation to "convert" to crank? When they showed the screen in the dyno room on one of those runs I saw something like 430, so I'm guessing that's the raw WHP number. Worth keeping in mind that the ran the dyno with the front wheels connected, and even if they didn't, it would be an expected, if not impressive, number. Their calculation sounds right, but it bugs me that they didn't present the WHP number.

In Europe it's basically always the corrected crank power according to EWG 80/1269. Nobody really cares about whp as it has too many factors that can influence the real engine output.

p = ambient pressure in mbar ("dry" air, you have to subtract pressure from humidity)
t = ambient temperature in °C

crank hp = measured hp * K
K = k1*k2
k1 = (990/p)^x
k2 = ((273+t)/(273+25))^y

Exponents are different for engine types:
NA Gasoline: x = 1,2 y = 0,6
NA Diesel: x = 1,0 y = 0,7
Turboengine: x = 0,7 y = 1,5

[ParkNuts]

Originally Posted by 10"

fastest diarrhea I've ever seen

I dunno, man. Think I've seen faster.

[josehb]

Originally Posted by robopp

I can say without a doubt that I was able to hit 7200 when I test drove a G80 M3. Bounced off the rev limiter a bunch of times spinning the tires.

Yes, ok you can hit 7200 rpm, but once the software is updated after the 1200 miles service the car will be a lot more responsive and it will have a different character as reported by some owners and confirmed to me by my dealer.

[trey100]

Originally Posted by josehb

Yes, ok you can hit 7200 rpm, but once the software is updated after the 1200 miles service the car will be a lot more responsive and it will have a different character as reported by some owners and confirmed to me by my dealer.

We heard this all throughout the F80 life. People swore it. Dealers told them. Nothing new happens. Highly unlikely in this case too.

[robopp]

Originally Posted by josehb

Yes, ok you can hit 7200 rpm, but once the software is updated after the 1200 miles service the car will be a lot more responsive and it will have a different character as reported by some owners and confirmed to me by my dealer.

You said limit is raised beyond 5500 RPM after break in. That's false. Now you're saying you can rev to 7200, which I proved multiple times on my test drive, but power is limited. The dyno of the manual G80 with 300 miles says otherwise. Point here is that you don't know what you're talking about.

[josehb]

Originally Posted by robopp

You said limit is raised beyond 5500 RPM after break in. That's false. Now you're saying you can rev to 7200, which I proved multiple times on my test drive, but power is limited. The dyno of the manual G80 with 300 miles says otherwise. Point here is that you don't know what you're talking about.

I'm only going by what others have experience and what the dealer told me, if you look at this video the tester explains that the software was changed after the 1200 miles. In addition there was a reviewer from Canada who test drove the car with only a few miles and said is not faster than the M340, well all the comments were regarding the break in period service, telling him do do the review after the 1200 mile service and that the car will not be very fast before the software is tweaked, he was so embarrassed that he removed the video. Maybe you are the one who does not know. Why compare the 1200 mile service of the F80 with the G80 this is new technology and the engine has to adapt to it gradually. By the way the dyno test was done after 2000 Kilometers not 300 miles.

[boostm3]

Did he say that run was on 98 octane? Thats gotta be good for at least a few xtra hp, no?

[robopp]

Originally Posted by josehb

I'm only going by what others have experience and what the dealer told me, if you look at this video the tester explains that the software was changed after the 1200 miles. In addition there was a reviewer from Canada who test drove the car with only a few miles and said is not faster than the M340, well all the comments were regarding the break in period service, telling him do do the review after the 1200 mile service and that the car will not be very fast before the software is tweaked, he was so embarrassed that he removed the video. Maybe you are the one who does not know. Why compare the 1200 mile service of the F80 with the G80 this is new technology and the engine has to adapt to it gradually. By the way the dyno test was done after 2000 Kilometers not 300 miles.

What are you talking about now? I've only talked about the G80. Why are you bringing up the F80?

[Scorp!on]

Originally Posted by josehb

I'm only going by what others have experience and what the dealer told me, if you look at this video the tester explains that the software was changed after the 1200 miles. In addition there was a reviewer from Canada who test drove the car with only a few miles and said is not faster than the M340, well all the comments were regarding the break in period service, telling him do do the review after the 1200 mile service and that the car will not be very fast before the software is tweaked, he was so embarrassed that he removed the video. Maybe you are the one who does not know. Why compare the 1200 mile service of the F80 with the G80 this is new technology and the engine has to adapt to it gradually. By the way the dyno test was done after 2000 Kilometers not 300 miles.

to be fair, that dumba** of canadian reviewer was talking absolute bullcrap.
I'm pretty sure he was low on fuel, that's why the car didn't let him rev over 4.5k (or 5, I'm not sure).
Also he mentioned the thing with comfort access for the trunk where you can open with the foot. He even edited it to make it look like it works.
It actually don't, there is no option in the G80 for that.

Oh and I can confirm, you can go over 6k RPM (I just didn't go further as I'm in break-in period).

I think this car gives you foll potential from the beginning, it's up to you to not drive like a full retard.

[josehb]

Originally Posted by Scorp!on

to be fair, that dumba** of canadian reviewer was talking absolute bullcrap.
I'm pretty sure he was low on fuel, that's why the car didn't let him rev over 4.5k (or 5, I'm not sure).
Also he mentioned the thing with comfort access for the trunk where you can open with the foot. He even edited it to make it look like it works.
It actually don't, there is no option in the G80 for that.

Oh and I can confirm, you can go over 6k RPM (I just didn't go further as I'm in break-in period).

I think this car gives you foll potential from the beginning, it's up to you to not drive like a full retard.

Oh so you know who I was referring to I could have given a better review that that guy from Canada.

Totally disagree, did you see this video, why you think he waited until 2000 kilometers and the software update keep looking thru out this forum and you will find that a few who have tested this car with only a few miles claim that is not even faster or just as fast as the M340 and claim that the car feels more aggressive after the 1200 mile service . I traded my2021 M340 for my current G80 and I can tell you that in the highway from about 60 to 100 mph it not does not feel any faster than the M340.

[josehb]

Originally Posted by robopp

What are you talking about now? I've only talked about the G80. Why are you bringing up the F80?

Oh, I guess it was not you but before your post they are a few comparing the break in period service to the F80.