[TrentMeister]

Originally Posted by LOW4LYF

Nobody in Europe is complaining about the manual transmission...US only... Ask yourself why?

Lol cause you guys don't get the 6speed?

[LOW4LYF]

Originally Posted by LBbluem2

Lol cause you guys don't get the 6speed?

It is available in Germany...

[LTJohn]

BMW definitely engineers a certain 'feel' into their manuals. I've never had an issue with it, however. It is often described as 'springy' and 'notchy'.
This is true. It is also light, fast and effective.
I grew up with hondas, so I get the complaints. I have a GT3 with what I feel is an ideal tranny. I also have a Golf R, which is springy/light and also very vague. Great for communting, but no feedback at all. I also had the R8 Manual, and that was REALLY notchy. (haha, it is a gated tranny!) But why can't the M3 have the GT3 shifter?? I dunno. The 6-speed in that car is like a steroid laden Miata's tranny. It's perfect. That being said, I think I might miss the BMW feel in a BMW.
Also, all of my BMW trannys needed about 5K miles to break in.....

[Scorp!on]

Initially I was frustrated af to be honest, I thought it is just me because it was long ago since I owned an MT.

Now i'm over 2'000KM (will get the break in Service on Tuesday) and it gets better and better.
Don't know if it's me who just handles better or the car.

But in the beginning, first and second gear was a pain in the ass...I never was able to shift without "hopping" and I thought I am just plain stupid and too dumb to drive a Manual...

I think the car just needs time to be "driven in".

[02M3ForMe]

It’s tempting and understandable to want to execute fine and careful movements to protect the car, and that makes sense very early on when you’re initially looking for the clutch engagement point. I find the transmission feels best when I’m being a bit speedy, positive, and confident with my shifts and clutch work. Eventually, the muscle memory does come and avoiding juddering at launch (I like to take off with minimum revs) and lurching going from 1-2 becomes easy and natural.

My favorite 6-speed manual transmission to date is whatever they used in the 997 GT3 / GT3 RS. Essentially perfect sports shifter and clutch.

[TrentMeister]

Originally Posted by LOW4LYF

It is available in Germany...

Ahh then I choose answer B-

German superiority

[kingmonkeyjr]

Seems like you got your feet tangled lol. Around town cruising I hit 1st to 3rd to 5th when driving comfort around town. When full send I'll slap gears lol.

[endofanera7]

Originally Posted by Imperial328i

My F87 felt this same way. I HATED the 1-2 shift. Deleting the CDV made a world of difference.

Looks like I got my answer. Someone posted how they love 6MT on the new G80 in another thread and I asked if it feels clunky/difficult 1-2 shift. From what I see in this thread, it's the same story from E9x, F8x and now the G8x. Definitely need CDV.

[Jacky Treehorn]

A little birdie told me this car was developed on the ZF8 with the lions share of engineerin' efforts. The manual I heard was just sorta thrown in there off the cuff, maybe an afterthought. Makes sense now I've been hearin' a lot of folks say the 6MT just don't feel right and downright disappointment. Didn't believe it at first, but now I'm startin' to since owners comin' forward and complainin! Such a bummer!

[PLF69]

Originally Posted by Jacky Treehorn

A little birdie told me this car was developed on the ZF8 with the lions share of engineerin' efforts. The manual I heard was just sorta thrown in there off the cuff, maybe an afterthought. Makes sense now I've been hearin' a lot of folks say the 6MT just don't feel right and downright disappointment. Didn't believe it at first, but now I'm startin' to since owners comin' forward and complainin! Such a bummer!

I think the only ppl complaining about the 6mt is the ppl with way too high expectations and the ppl comparing it to Honda's or Porsche instead of other past M/T BMW's

[bri1042]

Originally Posted by PLF69

I think the only ppl complaining about the 6mt is the ppl with way too high expectations and the ppl comparing it to Honda's or Porsche instead of other past M/T BMW's

I've been trying NOT to do that. It is a difficult trick as this is my first extended experience with BMW Manuals. I'd test driven a couple of F80/82 Manuals, but hadn't actually lived with one before. The 5MT on the Integra GS-R and the 6MT's on the RSX-S's were both magical things and so very ingrained in my memory.

I can't at all disagree with 1-2 issue, or that the clutch throw is too long without a clutch stop. And the Gear Selector LOVES 3rd best.

But, gods above and below, I just don't care. I'm loving every drive with it. I'm ANGRY with myself that I deprived myself of the MT experience for the last 8 years. Drove in crap traffic out shopping with the SO today. And I still had fun.

Inventing a time machine to go kick myself.

[Slow///1]

I agree with others that a cdv delete will help and the transmission needs time to break in. The 1M and F80 both got better with miles and I’m sure the G80 will also. Hell, my 991.2 GT3 needed break in miles before shifts felt right...

Moral of the story... No one should skip the 6MT because of the 1-2 shift. It may be the last opportunity to enjoy a manual in a modern BMW and these imperfections might just end up being what we reminisce about in 20 years!

[seis-speed]

One thing I love about manual transmission cars - is each car is so different and you need to learn the nuances of each car. I have driven many manual cars/trucks and own three currently they are always different and varied. I just adjust the way I drive each car (driver mod). Give it time and learn to appreciate the differences to the other manual cars you have driven, JMO.

[GoFastGoFish]

Ok , so little update.. I took a lot of your suggestions .. seat position, rpm range.. etc.. and actually I really think half of my issue was during run-in not being able to really go above 4500 rpm significantly cripples the real feeling in this thing..

1 and 2nd is a little wonky still of course.. but F it.. hitting 3rd and running it all the way up.. definitely provides a huge boost in smiles per gallon..

It's not to say I will not get a SSK and other trimmings to make it feel complete to me.. but this feels like such a controlled animal when winding out.. I think I can overlook having to customize such things..

Thank you all again for providing feedback.. I really appreciate it.. I was on the ledge there .. and I think I am feeling much better after letting it rip for a couple days..

[GoFastGoFish]

Originally Posted by PLF69

I think the only ppl complaining about the 6mt is the ppl with way too high expectations and the ppl comparing it to Honda's or Porsche instead of other past M/T BMW's

I think there may have been a bit of this in my feelings for sure.. I am really glad I was able to ask a ton of people though..

[Kinglagos]

1st to 2nd gear shift I think is the bmw "style". I have similar issue with my gran coupe which I still after 5.5y of ownership don't hit the 2nd gear smoothly. The M4 is a notch worse in this, sometimes it's butter smooth other it's jerky. I find you have to time the release the clutch really tight together with throttle input.

[brocurls]

In the F82, it took too long to figure out that it's either granny shift into 2nd around 2500rpm or ease off the clutch more slowly if you shift from a much higher rpm.

If I'm just putting around, shifting below 2500 will give you a smooth gear change and no stares from the wife.

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by LBbluem2

Ahh then I choose answer B-

German superiority

Or maybe you should just admit...ah, never mind...
Drove BMW Manuals since 2003 E46. All pretty much the same with the exception of the F80 that was...better.
Yes, 1-2 was initially a challenge, figured out to shift at lower RPM (as someone suggested above) and no issues at all. Over time got better and better.
Went M340i last September -- hated the transmission and lack of engagement and "too much refinement" of the vehicle (from many aspects).
Now waiting...

[tydntydj]

Anyone ordered a UCP for their G80? I contacted them about compatibility but haven't heard back.

[TrentMeister]

Originally Posted by DFW_M2C

Or maybe you should just admit...ah, never mind...
Drove BMW Manuals since 2003 E46. All pretty much the same with the exception of the F80 that was...better.
Yes, 1-2 was initially a challenge, figured out to shift at lower RPM (as someone suggested above) and no issues at all. Over time got better and better.
Went M340i last September -- hated the transmission and lack of engagement and "too much refinement" of the vehicle (from many aspects).
Now waiting...

Yeah I've had 4 e36 m3's all stick and took my license test in a lifted 5 speed f350.

I don't remember any issues like my m2c had in any of my previous stick cars.

The car was clunky to hustle

Had a well documented delay in power delivery

And needed about 1k worth of aftermarket parts to get it even close to right.

Granted I've done all the same mods to previous m3's but once done the shifting was flawless.

Idk I hope you enjoy it.

My m4c is super fun so far, and I hope you like your car too.

[Jproos]

Originally Posted by PLF69

I think the only ppl complaining about the 6mt is the ppl with way too high expectations and the ppl comparing it to Honda's or Porsche instead of other past M/T BMW's

I've been driving MT BMW's since 2008. It's taken me a while to get the hang of this car's 1-2 shift. Maybe both me and the car are getting better at it. I'm not sure but it's way better now than it was at first

[weingarm]

This may be slightly off topic, but I've never owned a manual transmission with auto-rev matching. I plan to get a 2022 6MT M3 and I'm wondering how the rev-matching works.

Can you really just shift down, say from 4th to 3rd without blipping the throttle yourself and the computer will do it for you - smoothly?

This seems so unworldly to me, like it shouldn't be possible. I know this technology has been out for at least a decade (I feel like the Nissan 370Z first had it around 2010) but does it really work as advertised?