[Thescout13]

Originally Posted by dialogical

I don't know buddy - that banned thread is full of anecdotal evidence, evasiveness, and double standards. Nothing about the dialog going on there suggests people open to hearing contrary views.

Isn't the latest news the guy who thought the G80 was too heavy so he spent $120k on an even heavier mustang?

Im not their defender in chief, my point is that a comment like that is no different than those guys' ridiculous comments. But let's be fair one guy went with a mustang almost every other went with a Porsche or kept their F80. But sure let's focus on the one mustang guy who lives in Europe and wanted to experience an American v8.

I think what gets me is the hypocritical nature of crying that detractors need to be banned then when they are turning around and making comments about those guys is a similar troll fashion knowing they can't defend themselves on the thread.

That is, I hate the interwebs.

[frankiebones]

Originally Posted by Thescout13

I'm pretty confidently going to go with no, no they are not uncomfortable reading a first impression review from someone who, to be frank, most people don't know or has any credibility as a car reviewer other than saying he likes Porsche, and who just sunk $80k+ of his own money into a car so has an incentive to not criticize it too much.

All that said, I'm willing to bet the vast majority of "banned" members would happily admit the car can perform better than previous generations. But performance vs feeling vs character vs styling, while subjective, are very different things.

But let be fair here his comments mostly focused on interior quality and ergonomics more than anything else.

Not wanting to start an argument with you here, because frankly I don't care, but this comment in on par with the idiotic "beaver face eww" comments were that got those people ban.

So, for that, troll 100 award goes to you!

Those members had complete psychotic breakdowns in the comments of each thread before they had even seen the car and before driving reviews were even released. Many of them didn't understand the not so subtle difference between the words objective and subjective.

If you don't want to start an argument then don't enumerate several points (all of which were valid), then compare me to members who are responsible for some of the most ridiculous "meltdowns" and diatribes the internet has ever seen (or at the very least these forums have produced) over the shape of a grille, and conclude by calling me a troll (I'm not).

[Montaver]

I really want to want the G80 if that makes sense. I love my G20 and it would be the perfect upgrade. It's really just the looks holding me back, maybe by the time my G20 lease is up I'll get over it. I appreciate the very low noise floor of the G20, given they removed all the sound deadening from the G80 its probably a lot louder. From the C&D tests 5-6dba louder which is a lot.

[frankiebones]

Originally Posted by Thescout13

Im not their defender in chief, my point is that a comment like that is no different than those guys' ridiculous comments.

You need to reread those comments I think. You're way off. People were literally calling for Flasch's head and declaring he should forfeit his retirement savings...

[Thescout13]

Originally Posted by frankiebones

You need to reread those comments I think. You're way off. People were literally calling for Flasch's head and declaring he should forfeit his retirement savings...

So that justifies your slightly less morbid trolling? I don't know man, maybe rise above?

[TEGRITY]

Congrats, beautiful combo!

Although, I do not agree that the interior quality is better. Yes, it does look updated and fresh but the quality of materials and the symmetry was better in F8x. But, if we are comparing with competitors, then I would agree. Even Audis have been going downhill these days with their interior quality, when BMW seems to have maintained their standards.

IMO, it's more about the tech and looks rather than the underlying quality itself with interiors these days and there's nothing wrong with approach, I suppose.

[frankiebones]

Originally Posted by Thescout13

So that justifies your slightly less morbid trolling? I don't know man, maybe rise above?

Yes, I believe it does.

And here we are, the two of us, down in the mud together. I'm willing to call a truce if you are.

[Thescout13]

Originally Posted by frankiebones

Yes, I believe it does.

And here we are, the two of us, down in the mud together. I'm willing to call a truce if you are.

Truce.

[dialogical]

Originally Posted by TEGRITY

Congrats, beautiful combo!

Although, I do not agree that the interior quality is better. Yes, it does look updated and fresh but the quality of materials and the symmetry was better in F8x. But, if we are comparing with competitors, then I would agree. Even Audis have been going downhill these days with their interior quality, when BMW seems to have maintained their standards.

IMO, it's more about the tech and looks rather than the underlying quality itself with interiors these days and there's nothing wrong with approach, I suppose.

I won't argue questions of taste but your claim that the materials are higher quality is suspect.

[frankiebones]

Originally Posted by Thescout13

Truce.

See! The interwebs doesn't have to be such a bad place.

[danniexi]

Originally Posted by Thescout13

Truce.

Originally Posted by frankiebones

See! The interwebs doesn't have to be such a bad place.

…

now kiss.

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by danniexi

…

now kiss.

I literally laughed out loud

[MPSdriver]

Originally Posted by CanuckM

2. Clutch pedal engagement feels weird to me.

Might be because there's more electronics involved when operating the clutch on a 'manual' tranmission than before?
There was some pre-release talk about a clutch-by-wire (-ish) system, but I haven't followed up on it.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by dialogical

I won't argue questions of taste but your claim that the materials aren't higher quality is suspect.

Indeed. The interior quality of the G8X is impressive. In fact, it was the interior that led the charge with regards to me ordering the car. What I mean(t) by that is, the quality of the leather, the carbon fiber buckets, etc. is phenomenal. Spending time in a G8X and then hopping back into my F8X had me feeling like the F8X was subpar (…and it wasn't!!!!). The G8X was just that much of a step forward that it made an awesome car feel less awesome to me. Granted, while I did decide to buy a Porsche Carrera S instead, it's not because the G8X doesn't appeal to me…….because it does. The Porsche has always been my dream car and things worked out in a way that made it attainable……finally. Absent that opportunity I would be in a G82.

O.P…..lovely car. Congrats on your purchase. Enjoy the hell out of it!!!!!

[snareman]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Indeed. The interior quality of the G8X is impressive. In fact, it was the interior that led the charge with regards to me ordering the car. What I mean(t) by that is, the quality of the leather, the carbon fiber buckets, etc. is phenomenal. Spending time in a G8X and then hopping back into my F8X had me feeling like the F8X was subpar (…and it wasn't!!!!). The G8X was just that much of a step forward that it made an awesome car feel less awesome to me. Granted, while I did decide to buy a Porsche Carrera S instead, it's not because the G8X doesn't appeal to me…….because it does. The Porsche has always been my dream car and things worked out in a way that made it attainable……finally. Absent that opportunity I would be in a G82.

O.P…..lovely car. Congrats on your purchase. Enjoy the hell out of it!!!!!

Doesn't it feel that way!? I remember driving the M5 and M8 at track days that had the G82 like interior and thinking how outdated my F82 felt in comparison. Such a drastic difference.

[_E90S65_]

Congrats, OP.

TB on KO looks

[jim1013yyf]

Originally Posted by danniexi

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now kiss.

should be "kith" following the new M trend.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by jim1013yyf

should be "kith" following the new M trend.

That actually made me chuckle in a Mike Tyson kind of way. Lol!

[PKL]

its the clutch delay valve that makes the manual feel a little weird in low gears. get rid of it and youre golden

[Takumi587]

Congrats on the car! The infotainment in the G80 is much better than the Porsche. Sound/ speaker wise hands down goes to Porsche though. Our Burmester in the Porsche is surely missed.

Waiting for the markups on G80 M3s to go down. Currently my dealer said 10k markup. Unbelievable…

[Remonster]

Originally Posted by 2kaccordocoupe

Congrats on the new car!


Does Bmw still use that clutch delay valve (CDV)? I remember doing the CDV delete on my e92 335 for better feel and engagement.

I don't know if this is still true for G8x but in F3x, the "CDV" was a restrictor hidden inside the clutch slave cylinder. I thought I had made a thread on it but now I can't find it. I was one of the first to take a gamble and remove the restrictor and it made the shifting experience much better in my F30 340i than the stock setup. You can't see the restrictor in parts diagrams because it is inside the slave cylinder, disconnect a line and use a pick to pull it out before re-connecting the line and bleeding the fluid. Pretty much the exact same improvement as on earlier cars when you would pull out the separate clutch delay valve and throw it away.

[S55 M2]

Originally Posted by CanuckM

For your $ and value, the G8x is the best car out there.

Hmm... 🤔

I think this depends on what your dollar and value proposition is. I think many will argue that the M2C is a strong contender for the best value proposition out of BMW M's entire lineup.

Congrats on the ride though! Great spec