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      05-20-2021, 04:07 PM   #45
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It depends on the lifestyle. I have no kids. My 992 could be sufficient for a week long getaway with a female friend. That said, I get your point. There's much less usable storage space in the Porsche. I have another auto with plenty of space, so the Porsche will be a targeted weekend toy.
Congrats! make sure to write a review once you take delivery. Porsche 911 is always what bimmer owners aspire to one day own. You're living the dream man...
Haha. So true. Sedan_Clan and I should take delivery of our 992s within a few weeks of each other (assuming mine gets back from European delivery on time). We should do a joint review since I have performance and other options he doesn't have (like SPASM, PDK, RAS, and sport-Tex interior) and he has other options I don't have (like aero and more leather).

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Lots of great points on both sides. I'm sure if you headed over to Rennlist, they'd think us ///M fans were crazy for even trying to compare the two machines. That said, most of us who can afford a full MSRP G8x at the moment can probably find a few extra hundred dollars a month lying around (or break the cardinal rule of leasing and drop a $10K down payment to lower the adjusted cap cost). I concur with other posters who said it's in bad taste to refer to those who budget (regardless of AGI).

For most people, rich or poor, a house and car are the two largest purchases they will ever make. Save perhaps investing in their own business. So there's nothing wrong with saying, hey the M3 does what I need it to do and costs less. Sure there are those out their with unlimited budgets, large inheritances/trust funds, rich/old spouses or who are just at a point in life where they can pay cash for a 992 (read: money is no object), but for the rest of the tax paying world, that's usually not the case.

Can I afford the 992 Targa I want? Sure. Does it make sense being 6'5'' with the build of a blob fish and a 4 month old? Maybe not so much. So you have to do the comparison based on your individual situation. The M3 isn't much of an upgrade in terms of daily comfort and usability for me, but for my wife, who's a significantly smaller human being, both cars make sense both from a daily driving perspective and financially. If she's happier in a 992 then the price difference is negligible as her happiness is worth it. If she's not, then it's a waste cause she drives less than 7500 miles a year on average and while it's fun to drive in FL, it's not scenic by any means like say California.

All this is to say, I like these kinds of comparisons, because it helps those of us blessed enough to even have the first world problem of deciding between a G8X and a 992 have some reasonable juxtaposition to go by/buy.
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Oh I plan to. Just my few test drives in 991.2 911 S's and a 992 Carrera S have me uber excited. I'm ready for the next level.



Hard emotionally or due to the market?
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It depends on the lifestyle. I have no kids. My 992 could be sufficient for a week long getaway with a female friend. That said, I get your point. There's much less usable storage space in the Porsche. I have another auto with plenty of space, so the Porsche will be a targeted weekend toy.
Congrats! make sure to write a review once you take delivery. Porsche 911 is always what bimmer owners aspire to one day own. You're living the dream man...
Haha. So true. Sedan_Clan and I should take delivery of our 992s within a few weeks of each other (assuming mine gets back from European delivery on time). We should do a joint review since I have performance and other options he doesn't have (like SPASM, PDK, RAS, and sport-Tex interior) and he has other options I don't have (like aero and more leather).

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That would actually be pretty legit. Comparing all of the options and juxtaposing in the same thread would be really cool.
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The point I never agree with in the M3/M4 vs 911 debate is the characterization of the 911 as an "all rounder"/"daily driver" . The 911 to me is just a toy car, it is an excellent toy and does accomplish its two goals amazingly 1) driving experience and 2) Exclusivity/luxury

Considering the 911 does not have to compromise for everyday practicality it should be dynamically superior to an M3/M4. I think it is great to use as a bar for what BMW can do with the M twins considering the functional requirements of the platform. I never understand the comparisons where one looks at a missing feature or dynamic "failure" of the M3/M4 and says "welp now i am switching to porsche" as if the two vehicles are interchangeable

for me a true daily driver has to be useable everyday of the week, with the 911 you can never
-take yourself and friend to the golf course along with both bags of clubs, really you cant even take yourself unless you are clown and put the clubs in the cabin on the passenger seat (would this count for HOV status?)
-self and partner for week away, at least not the way my wife packs
-self, partner, +1 child for anything but an in town trip (if you disagree tell me where the stroller goes lol)

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-dominate back roads
-dominate swagger in bumper to bumper traffic on the way to the office
I'll make a bet you haven't ever driven a 911.

Why not add not being able to clear 12" of water?

People that haven't driven one should really check themselves at the door before posting.
LMAO, your "clear 12 inches of water" comment is dumb. You wouldn't cross shop an F-150 and M3, you're buying for different purposes. THAT's the point. The 911 can be the best driving car in the world, it simply does not do what I need it to do with 2 kids. Money is irrelevant.
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Not quite the feedback you're looking for, but I am a 20+ year M3/4 faithful owner (E46/E92/F82) and decided to pass on the G8X and get a 992 instead.
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Not everyone who goes with the $85k or so M3/4 Comp can't afford a Porsche--even at $135k. If you live in the North--like Colorado, the car will sit in the garage for a long time each year. You need a good SUV--not just for the weather, but for all that it offers in capacity. Justifying an $85k car that will also sit in the garage and offers 95% of what the Porsche does makes sense. As to the C8, add $35,000 to MSP if you can find one. The C8 has been compared against the 992 S in several magazines, and beats it. I don't like the styling--front too short compared to rear so they had a place to stow the top or 2 sets of clubs. At $80-85k, it is a fantastic value; at $125k, it's not--and I've driven Vettes for the past 15 years. Then there is my 7000' altitude. The M4 Twin Turbo that puts out ~ 550 to the crank loses nothing in power. The 495hp Vette loses 100+ hp. Here, the Vette loses every time. And the rear engined, lighter 992 is only marginally (.2-3 in 1/4 mile--losing half of its 0-60 advantage) quicker. All considerations for me. I've driven Porsches from 993s to 992 GT3s. Terrific cars all. Just not for me. We also have, as original owners, a completely unmodified 1987 Buick Regal Grand National. So, tastes vary--and money isn't always the key criterion.
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Not everyone who goes with the $85k or so M3/4 Comp can't afford a Porsche--even at $135k. If you live in the North--like Colorado, the car will sit in the garage for a long time each year. You need a good SUV--not just for the weather, but for all that it offers in capacity. Justifying an $85k car that will also sit in the garage and offers 95% of what the Porsche does makes sense. As to the C8, add $35,000 to MSP if you can find one. The C8 has been compared against the 992 S in several magazines, and beats it. I don't like the styling--front too short compared to rear so they had a place to stow the top or 2 sets of clubs. At $80-85k, it is a fantastic value; at $125k, it's not--and I've driven Vettes for the past 15 years. Then there is my 7000' altitude. The M4 Twin Turbo that puts out ~ 550 to the crank loses nothing in power. The 495hp Vette loses 100+ hp. Here, the Vette loses every time. And the rear engined, lighter 992 is only marginally (.2-3 in 1/4 mile--losing half of its 0-60 advantage) quicker. All considerations for me. I've driven Porsches from 993s to 992 GT3s. Terrific cars all. Just not for me. We also have, as original owners, a completely unmodified 1987 Buick Regal Grand National. So, tastes vary--and money isn't always the key criterion.
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I'm actually cross shopping a G8x and 992 at the moment. I still have a year+ warranty on my Alfa Giulia QV so I'm in no rush (which is a good thing given allocation constraints especially on the 911), but I'm finding myself very conflicted. Both cars are amazing but obviously have distinctly different personalities.

I know it's not all that common to be cross shipping these two given the price delta, but the resale value on 911s certainly dulls the pain of the initial price.

I've driven both recently and the BMW certainly has more brute force, but the 911 just feels like an extension of my mind... Which may be why I can't get it out of my head.

Good thing I have some time to decide. Any former/current 992 owners get a G8x yet? If so, interested to get your thoughts...
I have heard the wait is about a year for a 911
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Not everyone who goes with the $85k or so M3/4 Comp can't afford a Porsche--even at $135k. If you live in the North--like Colorado, the car will sit in the garage for a long time each year. You need a good SUV--not just for the weather, but for all that it offers in capacity. Justifying an $85k car that will also sit in the garage and offers 95% of what the Porsche does makes sense. As to the C8, add $35,000 to MSP if you can find one. The C8 has been compared against the 992 S in several magazines, and beats it. I don't like the styling--front too short compared to rear so they had a place to stow the top or 2 sets of clubs. At $80-85k, it is a fantastic value; at $125k, it's not--and I've driven Vettes for the past 15 years. Then there is my 7000' altitude. The M4 Twin Turbo that puts out ~ 550 to the crank loses nothing in power. The 495hp Vette loses 100+ hp. Here, the Vette loses every time. And the rear engined, lighter 992 is only marginally (.2-3 in 1/4 mile--losing half of its 0-60 advantage) quicker. All considerations for me. [COLOR="Blue"]I've driven Porsches from 993s to 992 GT3s[/COLOR]. Terrific cars all. Just not for me. We also have, as original owners, a completely unmodified 1987 Buick Regal Grand National. So, tastes vary--and money isn't always the key criterion.
You've driven a 992 GT3 ?
That made my eyes raise too. I'm sure that was a typo. Lol!
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I'm actually cross shopping a G8x and 992 at the moment. I still have a year+ warranty on my Alfa Giulia QV so I'm in no rush (which is a good thing given allocation constraints especially on the 911), but I'm finding myself very conflicted. Both cars are amazing but obviously have distinctly different personalities.

I know it's not all that common to be cross shipping these two given the price delta, but the resale value on 911s certainly dulls the pain of the initial price.

I've driven both recently and the BMW certainly has more brute force, but the 911 just feels like an extension of my mind... Which may be why I can't get it out of my head.

Good thing I have some time to decide. Any former/current 992 owners get a G8x yet? If so, interested to get your thoughts...
I have heard the wait is about a year for a 911
It depends on which 911 you're referring to. Allocations vary among the line-up.
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I have a tuned F90 M5 and I still daily my 992 more often. Anyone here trying to "justify" a G80 over a 992 is just too poor to own one. Enough with the 'ticks all the boxes' nonsense already.

I used to be of the same mindset and until I drove a 911 I "got it".
This is nonsense. There are plenty of reasons why an m3 makes more sense than a 992, overall usability being the most relevant. Also the g80 has such improved dynamics that I think it makes it much more of an enjoyable drive than the f80.

And I've "driven" every current 991 and 992 out and owned a 991.2s, 992s... and currently own a 991.2 gt3 and have a tts on order.

Let's not be the Porsche owners that lift their nose at other cars and deny their merits.
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I have a tuned F90 M5 and I still daily my 992 more often. Anyone here trying to "justify" a G80 over a 992 is just too poor to own one. Enough with the 'ticks all the boxes' nonsense already.

I used to be of the same mindset and until I drove a 911 I "got it".
This is nonsense. There are plenty of reasons why an m3 makes more sense than a 992, overall usability being the most relevant. Also the g80 has such improved dynamics that I think it makes it much more of an enjoyable drive than the f80.

And I've "driven" every current 991 and 992 out and owned a 991.2s, 992s... and currently own a 991.2 gt3 and have a tts on order.

Let's not be the Porsche owners that lift their nose at other cars and deny their merits.
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Not everyone who goes with the $85k or so M3/4 Comp can't afford a Porsche--even at $135k. If you live in the North--like Colorado, the car will sit in the garage for a long time each year. You need a good SUV--not just for the weather, but for all that it offers in capacity. Justifying an $85k car that will also sit in the garage and offers 95% of what the Porsche does makes sense. As to the C8, add $35,000 to MSP if you can find one. The C8 has been compared against the 992 S in several magazines, and beats it. I don't like the styling--front too short compared to rear so they had a place to stow the top or 2 sets of clubs. At $80-85k, it is a fantastic value; at $125k, it's not--and I've driven Vettes for the past 15 years. Then there is my 7000' altitude. The M4 Twin Turbo that puts out ~ 550 to the crank loses nothing in power. The 495hp Vette loses 100+ hp. Here, the Vette loses every time. And the rear engined, lighter 992 is only marginally (.2-3 in 1/4 mile--losing half of its 0-60 advantage) quicker. All considerations for me. [COLOR="Blue"]I've driven Porsches from 993s to 992 GT3s[/COLOR]. Terrific cars all. Just not for me. We also have, as original owners, a completely unmodified 1987 Buick Regal Grand National. So, tastes vary--and money isn't always the key criterion.
You’ve driven a 992 GT3 ?
Yeah I was about to say? How'd he pull that miracle off?
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I'm actually cross shopping a G8x and 992 at the moment. I still have a year+ warranty on my Alfa Giulia QV so I'm in no rush (which is a good thing given allocation constraints especially on the 911), but I'm finding myself very conflicted. Both cars are amazing but obviously have distinctly different personalities.

I know it's not all that common to be cross shipping these two given the price delta, but the resale value on 911s certainly dulls the pain of the initial price.

I've driven both recently and the BMW certainly has more brute force, but the 911 just feels like an extension of my mind... Which may be why I can't get it out of my head.

Good thing I have some time to decide. Any former/current 992 owners get a G8x yet? If so, interested to get your thoughts...
I have heard the wait is about a year for a 911
"Yeah, but guys no one wants a 911 when they can have an M3/M4."

**Checks ability to secure a 911 allocation and sees ridiculously long waiting period with lists 10 deep at every dealership compared to the G8X.**

Yeah, there is a reason Porsche sells them like hot cakes and they are year over year the most reliable/successful/best value long term sports car out there.

P.S. this was not directed at you, just an attempt at sarcasm that was aimed at the people who say the above quote.
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I have a tuned F90 M5 and I still daily my 992 more often. Anyone here trying to "justify" a G80 over a 992 is just too poor to own one. Enough with the 'ticks all the boxes' nonsense already.

I used to be of the same mindset and until I drove a 911 I "got it".
This is nonsense. There are plenty of reasons why an m3 makes more sense than a 992, overall usability being the most relevant. Also the g80 has such improved dynamics that I think it makes it much more of an enjoyable drive than the f80.

And I've "driven" every current 991 and 992 out and owned a 991.2s, 992s... and currently own a 991.2 gt3 and have a tts on order.

Let's not be the Porsche owners that lift their nose at other cars and deny their merits.
100% agree. In every Porsche gaggle there is always that one guy who calls people poor or says they are peasants or is just a general dick that brings down the rep of Porsche owners.

Then again, BMW meets aren't that better either.
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I'm actually cross shopping a G8x and 992 at the moment. I still have a year+ warranty on my Alfa Giulia QV so I'm in no rush (which is a good thing given allocation constraints especially on the 911), but I'm finding myself very conflicted. Both cars are amazing but obviously have distinctly different personalities.

I know it's not all that common to be cross shipping these two given the price delta, but the resale value on 911s certainly dulls the pain of the initial price.

I've driven both recently and the BMW certainly has more brute force, but the 911 just feels like an extension of my mind... Which may be why I can't get it out of my head.

Good thing I have some time to decide. Any former/current 992 owners get a G8x yet? If so, interested to get your thoughts...
I have heard the wait is about a year for a 911
"Yeah, but guys no one wants a 911 when they can have an M3/M4."

**Checks ability to secure a 911 allocation and sees ridiculously long waiting period with lists 10 deep at every dealership compared to the G8X.**

Yeah, there is a reason Porsche sells them like hot cakes and they are year over year the most reliable/successful/best value long term sports car out there.

P.S. this was not directed at you, just an attempt at sarcasm that was aimed at the people who say the above quote.
That's actually not why the waits are long. Porsche has been plagued by production and epa issues, as well as the Taycan taking all the microchips . Last year Porsche had a normal level of allocations and every car got horribly delayed. My 992 sat at port for 3 months on an epa certification old... all 992s did. This year Porsche is only allocating as much as they think they can produce... which is like 25 percent capacity; they have also stopped Macan and cayman production to shift to 911. Also everyone that won the bit coin lottery wants to buy one to floss. I'm a huge Porsche fanboy btw, but there is more at play than the "911 is amazing"... which it is.
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The point I never agree with in the M3/M4 vs 911 debate is the characterization of the 911 as an "all rounder"/"daily driver" . The 911 to me is just a toy car, it is an excellent toy and does accomplish its two goals amazingly 1) driving experience and 2) Exclusivity/luxury

Considering the 911 does not have to compromise for everyday practicality it should be dynamically superior to an M3/M4. I think it is great to use as a bar for what BMW can do with the M twins considering the functional requirements of the platform. I never understand the comparisons where one looks at a missing feature or dynamic "failure" of the M3/M4 and says "welp now i am switching to porsche" as if the two vehicles are interchangeable

for me a true daily driver has to be useable everyday of the week, with the 911 you can never
-take yourself and friend to the golf course along with both bags of clubs, really you cant even take yourself unless you are clown and put the clubs in the cabin on the passenger seat (would this count for HOV status?)
-self and partner for week away, at least not the way my wife packs
-self, partner, +1 child for anything but an in town trip (if you disagree tell me where the stroller goes lol)

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-dominate back roads
-dominate swagger in bumper to bumper traffic on the way to the office
So well said. G80 in my humble opinion is still a more attractive vehicle because it's more liveable on a daily basis.
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I have a tuned F90 M5 and I still daily my 992 more often. Anyone here trying to "justify" a G80 over a 992 is just too poor to own one. Enough with the 'ticks all the boxes' nonsense already.

I used to be of the same mindset and until I drove a 911 I "got it".
This is nonsense. There are plenty of reasons why an m3 makes more sense than a 992, overall usability being the most relevant. Also the g80 has such improved dynamics that I think it makes it much more of an enjoyable drive than the f80.

And I've "driven" every current 991 and 992 out and owned a 991.2s, 992s... and currently own a 991.2 gt3 and have a tts on order.

Let's not be the Porsche owners that lift their nose at other cars and deny their merits.
100% agree. In every Porsche gaggle there is always that one guy who calls people poor or says they are peasants or is just a general dick that brings down the rep of Porsche owners.

Then again, BMW meets aren't that better either.
So true, I feel I don't fit in with the bmw crowd or the Porsche crowd anymore. Too old for one and too young for the other!!!
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Not too often you see a tie. C&D uses their scoring criteria and usually fudge some of the numbers (fun to drive in particular) to ensure the car they prefer wins even if another car is technically better. Strange how Car Mag couldn't pick a winner even on an emotional level.
I'd be happy to own either cars & both are magnificent machines. But if you want your money to go further & have a everyday saloon, the M3 is one highly advance car despite the controversial front grill.
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I'm actually cross shopping a G8x and 992 at the moment. I still have a year+ warranty on my Alfa Giulia QV so I'm in no rush (which is a good thing given allocation constraints especially on the 911), but I'm finding myself very conflicted. Both cars are amazing but obviously have distinctly different personalities.

I know it's not all that common to be cross shipping these two given the price delta, but the resale value on 911s certainly dulls the pain of the initial price.

I've driven both recently and the BMW certainly has more brute force, but the 911 just feels like an extension of my mind... Which may be why I can't get it out of my head.

Good thing I have some time to decide. Any former/current 992 owners get a G8x yet? If so, interested to get your thoughts...
I have heard the wait is about a year for a 911
"Yeah, but guys no one wants a 911 when they can have an M3/M4."

**Checks ability to secure a 911 allocation and sees ridiculously long waiting period with lists 10 deep at every dealership compared to the G8X.**

Yeah, there is a reason Porsche sells them like hot cakes and they are year over year the most reliable/successful/best value long term sports car out there.

P.S. this was not directed at you, just an attempt at sarcasm that was aimed at the people who say the above quote.
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I have a tuned F90 M5 and I still daily my 992 more often. Anyone here trying to "justify" a G80 over a 992 is just too poor to own one. Enough with the 'ticks all the boxes' nonsense already.

I used to be of the same mindset and until I drove a 911 I "got it".
This is nonsense. There are plenty of reasons why an m3 makes more sense than a 992, overall usability being the most relevant. Also the g80 has such improved dynamics that I think it makes it much more of an enjoyable drive than the f80.

And I've "driven" every current 991 and 992 out and owned a 991.2s, 992s... and currently own a 991.2 gt3 and have a tts on order.

Let's not be the Porsche owners that lift their nose at other cars and deny their merits.
100% agree. In every Porsche gaggle there is always that one guy who calls people poor or says they are peasants or is just a general dick that brings down the rep of Porsche owners.

Then again, BMW meets aren't that better either.
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I have a tuned F90 M5 and I still daily my 992 more often. Anyone here trying to "justify" a G80 over a 992 is just too poor to own one. Enough with the 'ticks all the boxes' nonsense already.

I used to be of the same mindset and until I drove a 911 I "got it".
This is nonsense. There are plenty of reasons why an m3 makes more sense than a 992, overall usability being the most relevant. Also the g80 has such improved dynamics that I think it makes it much more of an enjoyable drive than the f80.

And I've "driven" every current 991 and 992 out and owned a 991.2s, 992s... and currently own a 991.2 gt3 and have a tts on order.

Let's not be the Porsche owners that lift their nose at other cars and deny their merits.
100% agree. In every Porsche gaggle there is always that one guy who calls people poor or says they are peasants or is just a general dick that brings down the rep of Porsche owners.

Then again, BMW meets aren't that better either.
So true, I feel I don't fit in with the bmw crowd or the Porsche crowd anymore. Too old for one and too young for the other!!!
Ehhhh I kind of understand where you're coming from. I've outgrown BMW car meets and at the tender age of 42 (...lol), I'm quite a bit younger than the average Porsche owner.
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I'm actually cross shopping a G8x and 992 at the moment. I still have a year+ warranty on my Alfa Giulia QV so I'm in no rush (which is a good thing given allocation constraints especially on the 911), but I'm finding myself very conflicted. Both cars are amazing but obviously have distinctly different personalities.

I know it's not all that common to be cross shipping these two given the price delta, but the resale value on 911s certainly dulls the pain of the initial price.

I've driven both recently and the BMW certainly has more brute force, but the 911 just feels like an extension of my mind... Which may be why I can't get it out of my head.

Good thing I have some time to decide. Any former/current 992 owners get a G8x yet? If so, interested to get your thoughts...
I have heard the wait is about a year for a 911
"Yeah, but guys no one wants a 911 when they can have an M3/M4."

**Checks ability to secure a 911 allocation and sees ridiculously long waiting period with lists 10 deep at every dealership compared to the G8X.**

Yeah, there is a reason Porsche sells them like hot cakes and they are year over year the most reliable/successful/best value long term sports car out there.

P.S. this was not directed at you, just an attempt at sarcasm that was aimed at the people who say the above quote.
That's actually not why the waits are long. Porsche has been plagued by production and epa issues, as well as the Taycan taking all the microchips . Last year Porsche had a normal level of allocations and every car got horribly delayed. My 992 sat at port for 3 months on an epa certification old... all 992s did. This year Porsche is only allocating as much as they think they can produce... which is like 25 percent capacity; they have also stopped Macan and cayman production to shift to 911. Also everyone that won the bit coin lottery wants to buy one to floss. I'm a huge Porsche fanboy btw, but there is more at play than the "911 is amazing"... which it is.
Yeah I have an allocation in hand for a 992, and to be fair I did mean to add it even without supply chain issues, but did forget that like an idiot.

Even without the current shortage, Porsche sells a ton of them (and rarely with the ridiculous discounts you see on the M8/M5/M3CS etc) and they all hold their value long term over almost any other sports car.

But, yeah you are spot on, I should have mentioned the current supply chain issues.
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