2022 Porsche 992 GTS Thoughts?

Vic55 · 03-26-2022, 01:14 PM

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GT cars are not 'impossible'. Dealers are just not letting people spec them but instead spec'ing themselves and waiting for them to hit the floor for market pricing.

I think his use of the word impossible was in regards to pricing...

Its so damn annoying and I just found a GT3 with a mega build, to your point, by the dealer at 229k plus ADM.

FML

HeelToeShift · 03-26-2022, 01:53 PM

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Porsche GT cars and 992's in general lease like shit... PFS is brutal on the residuals and even their money factors. Its definitely a cash buy for sure.

I love chalk, its just such a cool passive color but catches eyes all day and night. But building a GT3 and getting an allocation is like finding Jimmy Hoffa's body.

Oh yea...residuals are atrocious and MF is up there.

Limegrntaln · 03-26-2022, 02:13 PM

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The GT cars are impossible, these days. There was pages and pages of 991.2 GT cars, for sale, before the pandemic, and you could have a nice barely used, 1-2 year old car, for like $150k. Im looking at GT3s, right now, not even the RS, on Cars.com, for $192K for a 2018!! with $17,000 miles on it. And in the description, it literally says, Original MSRP, $160K!! https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/b...-08705ee658b9/

GT cars are not 'impossible'. Dealers are just not letting people spec them but instead spec'ing themselves and waiting for them to hit the floor for market pricing.

Same thing, to me. Thats still untouchable, if you want an allocation, you're just priced out. And I think we all know what's really happening, out there. I'm seeing dozens and dozens with rollback mileage on them, that are selling as used. That's the kind of dirty snake oil salesman shit that happens, when used cars are worth more than new.

I think you're on crack, if you're spending $330k on a $170k car.

HeelToeShift · 03-26-2022, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Limegrntaln

Same thing, to me. Thats still untouchable, if you want an allocation, you're just priced out. And I think we all know what's really happening, out there. I'm seeing dozens and dozens with rollback mileage on them, that are selling as used. That's the kind of dirty snake oil salesman shit that happens, when used cars are worth more than new.

I think you're on crack, if you're spending $330k on a $170k car.

I agree. GT3 is a phenomenal car but not worth anywhere near 300-350K. 250K, maybe 275K, sure, it's still likely the best car at those prices, but beyond that, I think it's tough.
GT4RS will be close with 150-200K MSRP ADMs, and as much as it's shaping up to be one of the best cars ever made, it's not worth that, and certainly not worth more than a GT3 nor would I pick one over a GT3.

Limegrntaln · 03-26-2022, 06:28 PM

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Same thing, to me. Thats still untouchable, if you want an allocation, you're just priced out. And I think we all know what's really happening, out there. I'm seeing dozens and dozens with rollback mileage on them, that are selling as used. That's the kind of dirty snake oil salesman shit that happens, when used cars are worth more than new.

I think you're on crack, if you're spending $330k on a $170k car.

I agree. GT3 is a phenomenal car but not worth anywhere near 300-350K. 250K, maybe 275K, sure, it's still likely the best car at those prices, but beyond that, I think it's tough.
GT4RS will be close with 150-200K MSRP ADMs, and as much as it's shaping up to be one of the best cars ever made, it's not worth that, and certainly not worth more than a GT3 nor would I pick one over a GT3.

True. It would have to be a 911, for me. I can't get the GT4 out of my head as a 90s 996 Boxter. I know it's not even the same car. But it just reminds me of a Miata, and I just can't even think about it. 911 or bust.

HeelToeShift · 03-28-2022, 08:52 AM

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True. It would have to be a 911, for me. I can't get the GT4 out of my head as a 90s 996 Boxter. I know it's not even the same car. But it just reminds me of a Miata, and I just can't even think about it. 911 or bust.

I disagree on the GT4. I've had many 911s, and a few Caymans, and my 718 GT4 is something special that no 911 sans the GT variants can match and don't beat by much.

Limegrntaln · 03-28-2022, 10:33 PM

Im not sure what it is, about it. I just know its not the one, for me. Just like this car. It would be the M3 or the M4. I've never looked at the 1M or the M2. I just feels like a lite model, to me.

I do understand the 718 is a completely different platform. The M4 is at the top of the mountain, for me, as far as light(ish) and agile sports cars. Sure, they make an M5, but that's a 4 door, Autobahn runner. As is the M8 Coupe.

The M4 is the only car, like it, in the lineup. And now, I own one, because BMW took it from just about the slowest car, in its class, to one of, if not, the fastest, and most capable car, in its class.

Now, the GT4RS, almost feels to me, like its in a league of its own. It's still a GT3 underclassman, but there's something about it, in my opinion, which, again, isn't worth a senior cup of coffee, at Dennys. Just solely my opinion.

Vic55 · 03-29-2022, 09:39 AM

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Im not sure what it is, about it. I just know its not the one, for me. Just like this car. It would be the M3 or the M4. I've never looked at the 1M or the M2. I just feels like a lite model, to me.

I do understand the 718 is a completely different platform. The M4 is at the top of the mountain, for me, as far as light(ish) and agile sports cars. Sure, they make an M5, but that's a 4 door, Autobahn runner. As is the M8 Coupe.

The M4 is the only car, like it, in the lineup. And now, I own one, because BMW took it from just about the slowest car, in its class, to one of, if not, the fastest, and most capable car, in its class.

Now, the GT4RS, almost feels to me, like its in a league of its own. It's still a GT3 underclassman, but there's something about it, in my opinion, which, again, isn't worth a senior cup of coffee, at Dennys. Just solely my opinion.

Im still wallowing over getting a GTS or now, maybe a GT3 but its a 50k over ask (and thats currently a smoking deal). I did find a GTS coming in May in Shark Blue with Carbon Ceramics- its mine for a fair price but do i want to wait 2 months?

Probably.

I just love Porsche because they do so much with less (in regards to hp). But this X drive M as you eloquently stated above is just shockingly incredible. Maybe its because I compare to the likes of my my prior M3's/M4's but its worth all the money...

Limegrntaln · 03-29-2022, 01:11 PM

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Im still wallowing over getting a GTS or now, maybe a GT3 but its a 50k over ask (and thats currently a smoking deal). I did find a GTS coming in May in Shark Blue with Carbon Ceramics- its mine for a fair price but do i want to wait 2 months?

Probably.

I just love Porsche because they do so much with less (in regards to hp). But this X drive M as you eloquently stated above is just shockingly incredible. Maybe its because I compare to the likes of my my prior M3's/M4's but its worth all the money...

It's hard to get the words out of my mouth, but, in this market, it's a given. $50K, over ask, would be a good deal, right now, on a GT3. And the shark blue GTS, would most certainly be a contender.

If given the fair choice between the two, not taking cost into consideration, Id probably get the GT3, because, basically, its likely never going to lose value, and probably, increase.

The GTS will definitely hold its value, as well, it's a special car, but I think the GT3 would have the value edge. Now, as for a drivers car, value aside, and based solely on daily, street driving it, you can't go wrong with the GTS. I would probably add the Aero kit, myself, though.

Vic55 · 03-29-2022, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Limegrntaln

It's hard to get the words out of my mouth, but, in this market, it's a given. $50K, over ask, would be a good deal, right now, on a GT3. And the shark blue GTS, would most certainly be a contender.

If given the fair choice between the two, not taking cost into consideration, Id probably get the GT3, because, basically, its likely never going to lose value, and probably, increase.

The GTS will definitely hold its value, as well, it's a special car, but I think the GT3 would have the value edge. Now, as for a drivers car, value aside, and based solely on daily, street driving it, you can't go wrong with the GTS. I would probably add the Aero kit, myself, though.

Its already built and on a boat (GTS) --- I dont really add stuff ATF as Ill keep the car a year or so. Thats fine as I dont need a big wing anyways unless its supposed to be there in a more normal setup like the GT3.

GTS cars are at 30k over for orders and even more if found on the ground; 50k over on a GT3 is a smoke show but there are caveats to all negotiations where the 50k ends up being more so Im entertaining such discussions (in private).

Limegrntaln · 03-29-2022, 01:44 PM

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Its already built and on a boat (GTS) --- I dont really add stuff ATF as Ill keep the car a year or so. Thats fine as I dont need a big wing anyways unless its supposed to be there in a more normal setup like the GT3.

GTS cars are at 30k over for orders and even more if found on the ground; 50k over on a GT3 is a smoke show but there are caveats to all negotiations where the 50k ends up being more so Im entertaining such discussions (in private).

100%. If I was going to order one, i would add it. It doesn't make sense to spend on something that you're not going to keep, more than a few years.

For most of the P car, right now, they're specd by the dealer. unless I was able to find something with exactly, or at least very close to what I wanted, Id want to order one, myself. but the fact that when I spec a GTS, its $185K, 30K over, puts it out of the realm, for me. Not that its too much money, but I really don't like a car, or keep it, long enough, to swallow $30k as an ADM. $220K for a GTS is ludicrous.

BMWRacer523 · 03-29-2022, 05:27 PM

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So I truly appreciate what you wrote and the time you took to do so. Everything makes sense and I probably didnt word my og post with enough depth. I have had a GT3 and it was the 991.1 (see pic) and I loved every moment of it although it required a 9/10ths ripper driver to make it shine and I was that guy. I just had a tremendous offer for it so I sold it and along came a Huracan 4WD.

So I do not want another GT3 which I had while the current 992 GT3 is not remotely in the same range (well over 100k more if not 120k) so with my other lineup and cash is king, Im going just wait and see how this new GTS drives vs the likes of my current 991.2 GTS.

Here was my GT3 with a modified exhaust that made those LeMans noises even more prevalent:

I like your music selection Vic.. the GT3 is cool too

Vic55 · 03-31-2022, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Limegrntaln

It's hard to get the words out of my mouth, but, in this market, it's a given. $50K, over ask, would be a good deal, right now, on a GT3. And the shark blue GTS, would most certainly be a contender.

If given the fair choice between the two, not taking cost into consideration, Id probably get the GT3, because, basically, its likely never going to lose value, and probably, increase.

The GTS will definitely hold its value, as well, it's a special car, but I think the GT3 would have the value edge. Now, as for a drivers car, value aside, and based solely on daily, street driving it, you can't go wrong with the GTS. I would probably add the Aero kit, myself, though.

So I grabbed the Shark Blue that was already built, no Aero but ccbs and rws... its on a boat.

Now I did pay an ADM but it was a very very fair one for sure via my long time Porsche guy.

G MONEY · 03-31-2022, 12:00 PM

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It's hard to get the words out of my mouth, but, in this market, it's a given. $50K, over ask, would be a good deal, right now, on a GT3. And the shark blue GTS, would most certainly be a contender.

If given the fair choice between the two, not taking cost into consideration, Id probably get the GT3, because, basically, its likely never going to lose value, and probably, increase.

The GTS will definitely hold its value, as well, it's a special car, but I think the GT3 would have the value edge. Now, as for a drivers car, value aside, and based solely on daily, street driving it, you can't go wrong with the GTS. I would probably add the Aero kit, myself, though.

So I grabbed the Shark Blue that was already built, no Aero but ccbs and rws... its on a boat.

Now I did pay an ADM but it was a very very fair one for sure via my long time Porsche guy.

Congrats ninja 🥷. Enjoy it in good health. Make sure you rip that beast around town often!!!!!!

Vic55 · 03-31-2022, 12:10 PM

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Congrats ninja 🥷. Enjoy it in good health. Make sure you rip that beast around town often!!!!!!

Hell ya--- already looking at exhaust and a tune (M-Engineering).

The car is pretty plug and play though with the proper suspension from the Turbo along with other things.

Rono63 · 03-31-2022, 01:37 PM

Is the G80 going away or are you adding to the fleet?

Vic55 · 03-31-2022, 02:13 PM

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Is the G80 going away or are you adding to the fleet?

hell no, I love the G80--- this will replace the GTS (2018)

Limegrntaln · 03-31-2022, 02:47 PM

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It's hard to get the words out of my mouth, but, in this market, it's a given. $50K, over ask, would be a good deal, right now, on a GT3. And the shark blue GTS, would most certainly be a contender.

If given the fair choice between the two, not taking cost into consideration, Id probably get the GT3, because, basically, its likely never going to lose value, and probably, increase.

The GTS will definitely hold its value, as well, it's a special car, but I think the GT3 would have the value edge. Now, as for a drivers car, value aside, and based solely on daily, street driving it, you can't go wrong with the GTS. I would probably add the Aero kit, myself, though.

So I grabbed the Shark Blue that was already built, no Aero but ccbs and rws... its on a boat.

Now I did pay an ADM but it was a very very fair one for sure via my long time Porsche guy.

Oh, yeah! Bad ass. I'm of course in love with the GT3s, but I just think the GTS is that perfect street drivable monster. If I was trailering a track car, GT3, all day. But daily, bad ass street car, GTS. I don't think there is enough of a difference in a Turbo, or a Turbo S, to even justify spending the price for one of those, over the GTS. How much better can a Turbo (non S) model, be, than this? Congrats, hopefully we can see some pics when you get it.

Vic55 · 03-31-2022, 03:04 PM

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Oh, yeah! Bad ass. I'm of course in love with the GT3s, but I just think the GTS is that perfect street drivable monster. If I was trailering a track car, GT3, all day. But daily, bad ass street car, GTS. I don't think there is enough of a difference in a Turbo, or a Turbo S, to even justify spending the price for one of those, over the GTS. How much better can a Turbo (non S) model, be, than this? Congrats, hopefully we can see some pics when you get it.

So I have had 5 Turbo S cars and the rest are versions of the 911 up to the GT3... My GTS is easily of my fave cars for overall driveability and pricing mixed in. Right now the Turbo S cars are going for 300k ish new and high 200's used (22's) and its not worth the price of admission.

My car has a lowly 165k msrp and then add 20k in ADM but Im fine with that. Even at 185k the 100k is just not worth it; well maybe LOL.

The tunes for the car will be out soon and while the actual turbos are smaller there are reasonable gains even on 91 if one so desires. Ill have to see how the car really responds on the street and if my foot wants more. I do have a GIAC tune on my GTS now and its pretty good and makes it a baby Turbo Cab.

So to your point the GTS, will be a great streeter for sure. The main key variance on the street I see is the exhaust note where the GT3 is brilliant.

Limegrntaln · 03-31-2022, 03:59 PM

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Oh, yeah! Bad ass. I'm of course in love with the GT3s, but I just think the GTS is that perfect street drivable monster. If I was trailering a track car, GT3, all day. But daily, bad ass street car, GTS. I don't think there is enough of a difference in a Turbo, or a Turbo S, to even justify spending the price for one of those, over the GTS. How much better can a Turbo (non S) model, be, than this? Congrats, hopefully we can see some pics when you get it.

So I have had 5 Turbo S cars and the rest are versions of the 911 up to the GT3... My GTS is easily of my fave cars for overall driveability and pricing mixed in. Right now the Turbo S cars are going for 300k ish new and high 200's used (22's) and its not worth the price of admission.

My car has a lowly 165k msrp and then add 20k in ADM but Im fine with that. Even at 185k the 100k is just not worth it; well maybe LOL.

The tunes for the car will be out soon and while the actual turbos are smaller there are reasonable gains even on 91 if one so desires. Ill have to see how the car really responds on the street and if my foot wants more. I do have a GIAC tune on my GTS now and its pretty good and makes it a baby Turbo Cab.

So to your point the GTS, will be a great streeter for sure. The main key variance on the street I see is the exhaust note where the GT3 is brilliant.

That's a definite. The $300+k price just doesn't seem worth it. If you're just going to drive it and keep it stock, and the $300k is no big deal, then go for it. But now that the GTS is available, it just doesn't make sense. And absolutely, the sound coming from the 992 GT3, is unbelievable. I remember seeing the first track review and hearing the new car, and it's crazy how they get these cars to sound.

Purekoryo · 04-03-2022, 04:31 PM

If you are keeping the G80, get the GT4 for the fun factor. If only one car then 992 GTS for sure. I owned a 991.2 GTS and regretted selling it. Now I own a GT4 and on the fence for a G80 M3 because I need just one car. If I could get an allocation for the new GTS, I'd hop on it in a heart beat.

mzcp · 04-03-2022, 07:48 PM

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So I grabbed the Shark Blue that was already built, no Aero but ccbs and rws... its on a boat.

Now I did pay an ADM but it was a very very fair one for sure via my long time Porsche guy.

Congrats on the GTS. Shark Blue is my favorite color. Trying to get an allocation now for Shark Blue GT4. Dealer markup is $20-50k for GT4 even more for GT3. That GT4 RS will be a unicorn and will be close to $500K by the time they go for sale online

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