[Draper]

Originally Posted by FranckF1

Concerning my car, first estimate is 6 months + 2,5 months for FDG. But we will know a bit better in a few weeks.

That timeline seems strange if you currently have an allocation.

Do you have an allocation?

Do you have a build sheet which lists FDG as the paint color (with a price)?

[81bear]

Originally Posted by FranckF1

Check comments (and my question) under this video. The dealer replied available in Canada.

Perhaps he didn't say it clearly : I think you can get it going with the individual program request, like me. Yes it's not on the main prod line anymore, so it will add 2 to 3 months delay.
I has my request approved by BMW Individual France and signed it so should be fine.

This is my local dealership which screwed up my order and a number of other local guys orders. I will say Allen (SA in the video) does seem to be more knowledgeable than most other SA's.

My understanding is that BMW need to accept the individual colour order so just because you can enter it in doesn't mean you can get it.

I hope you guys do get this colour as it's amazing and really shows off the lines of the G80.

[FranckF1]

Originally Posted by 81bear

This is my local dealership which screwed up my order and a number of other local guys orders. I will say Allen (SA in the video) does seem to be more knowledgeable than most other SA's.

My understanding is that BMW need to accept the individual colour order so just because you can enter it in doesn't mean you can get it.

I hope you guys do get this colour as it's amazing and really shows off the lines of the G80.

Oh really ? How screwed?
My dealership made the proper request and it is signed. Now have to wait the job number to add to the paper. And we have the job number since Friday!

[FranckF1]

Originally Posted by Draper

That timeline seems strange if you currently have an allocation.

Do you have an allocation?

Do you have a build sheet which lists FDG as the paint color (with a price)?

Hi Draper (and others if you want to reply, perhaps other European members have intel on how it works for us on the old continent)

I will try to reply the best I can because France is not like US where you have thousands of true M cars sold every year.

That was the case until few years ago but now, because of climate crisis, you have to pay 40k€ in taxes (50k next year) for such cars. To add to the car price + VAT.

For example, my car build will be, in total, just under 180k euros, incl. 50k for climate tax + 20k for VAT. BMW France offers 20K on the car so it will be 160K.

Without this "help", I would never have accepted to give 50K just for climate tax.

So now you can understand there are not a lot of M cars sold here since 1 - 2 years. I would be the first M3 for my dealer for this year, and they only sold a few M4. And my dealer is a big one, in the 7th city of France.

So when I talk about allocation, this is not apparently a concern or a reality here. I have to go deeply in that to understand that with them.

But what I know is I have a "job number" now so it means the order has been accepted apparently. I don't know what job number means in US... the same ? order bank ? something else ?

This job number is what goes on the Individual paper i signed for FDG.

Here it seems we only have 'average delays', not really allocations, because they don't see thousands, even hundreds true M cars in France. MY SA showed me the BMW France official notes for dealers and says 6 months for M3/M4 as the 1st of July)

For the build sheet, I signed my configuration at the dealership and that was entered for the BMW factory and as I have a job number, I guess it's all ok. Is this what you call build sheet ? Or is it something you download from the factory software ?

But perhaps you have more intel for me on all that. Looking to your reply (replies) and will call anyway my dealer tomorrow as it's only SA who texted me during his holidays saying we already have a job number, that means to him "the car has been accepted by the factory and has to be produced".

Cheers,
Franck

[81bear]

Originally Posted by FranckF1

Oh really ? How screwed?
My dealership made the proper request and it is signed. Now have to wait the job number to add to the paper. And we have the job number since Friday!

I put the deposit down but they never updated my spec for the allocation. By the time they got around to it BMW locked all the orders so I walked. I was told there's a 2022 G80 available at their dealership as the person who ordered the vehicle wanted manual and they ordered automatic.

[81bear]

Originally Posted by FranckF1

Hi Draper (and others if you want to reply, perhaps other European members have intel on how it works for us on the old continent)

I will try to reply the best I can because France is not like US where you have thousands of true M cars sold every year.

That was the case until few years ago but now, because of climate crisis, you have to pay 40k€ in taxes (50k next year) for such cars. To add to the car price + VAT.

For example, my car build will be, in total, just under 180k euros, incl. 50k for climate tax + 20k for VAT. BMW France offers 20K on the car so it will be 160K.

Without this "help", I would never have accepted to give 50K just for climate tax.

So now you can understand there are not a lot of M cars sold here since 1 - 2 years. I would be the first M3 for my dealer for this year, and they only sold a few M4. And my dealer is a big one, in the 7th city of France.

So when I talk about allocation, this is not apparently a concern or a reality here. I have to go deeply in that to understand that with them.

But what I know is I have a "job number" now so it means the order has been accepted apparently. I don't know what job number means in US... the same ? order bank ? something else ?

This job number is what goes on the Individual paper i signed for FDG.

Here it seems we only have 'average delays', not really allocations, because they don't see thousands, even hundreds true M cars in France. MY SA showed me the BMW France official notes for dealers and says 6 months for M3/M4 as the 1st of July)

For the build sheet, I signed my configuration at the dealership and that was entered for the BMW factory and as I have a job number, I guess it's all ok. Is this what you call build sheet ? Or is it something you download from the factory software ?

But perhaps you have more intel for me on all that. Looking to your reply (replies) and will call anyway my dealer tomorrow as it's only SA who texted me during his holidays saying we already have a job number, that means to him "the car has been accepted by the factory and has to be produced".

Cheers,
Franck

Not sure if the procedure is different in Europe but in North America BMW needs the accept the individual colour request. That means, your dealer can request the colour for approval but until BMW NA approves it you are not guaranteed the colour. Again, the process maybe different in Europe.

[FranckF1]

Originally Posted by 81bear

I put the deposit down but they never updated my spec for the allocation. By the time they got around to it BMW locked all the orders so I walked. I was told there's a 2022 G80 available at their dealership as the person who ordered the vehicle wanted manual and they ordered automatic.

Ouch yes, big screwing there

[FranckF1]

Originally Posted by 81bear

Not sure if the procedure is different in Europe but in North America BMW needs the accept the individual colour request. That means, your dealer can request the colour for approval but until BMW NA approves it you are not guaranteed the colour. Again, the process maybe different in Europe.

As said, BMW Individual accepted the request from my dealer, the price has been given (3650 euros), the paper is signed from me and my dealer, only need to report the job number on it now and send it back.

So, unless the factory says STOP, there is no reason it should not go to the end of the process.

[81bear]

Originally Posted by FranckF1

As said, BMW Individual accepted the request from my dealer, the price has been given (3650 euros), the paper is signed from me and my dealer, only need to report the job number on it now and send it back.

So, unless the factory says STOP, there is no reason it should not go to the end of the process.

You should be all set then👍. Hopefully it works out for others as well.

[FranckF1]

Originally Posted by 81bear

You should be all set then👍. Hopefully it works out for others as well.

I hope

Any idea about job number, does this say something to you ? anyone ?

[Patsfan1997]

Originally Posted by FranckF1

Check comments (and my question) under this video. The dealer replied available in Canada.

Perhaps he didn't say it clearly : I think you can get it going with the individual program request, like me. Yes it's not on the main prod line anymore, so it will add 2 to 3 months delay.
I has my request approved by BMW Individual France and signed it so should be fine.

I don't know how knowledgeable the dealers are in Canada. There is less transparency here than in the US, where you can track the progress of your order online. I will ask him to check again. I would love to get FDG. This way I don't have to choose between DG, SSG and BG, none of which are as nice.

[Draper]

Originally Posted by FranckF1

But perhaps you have more intel for me on all that. Looking to your reply (replies) and will call anyway my dealer tomorrow as it's only SA who texted me during his holidays saying we already have a job number, that means to him "the car has been accepted by the factory and has to be produced".

I guess the difference can be seen in these 2 images.

The first is build sheet with a handwritten note from the dealer.

The second is fully generated by BMW, which confirms the color has been accepted by BMW. Note: For me, the price appeared as 'Blocked' until the car hit 150 (in production) status.

If your dealer can give you a sheet like the second image, you should be in good shape. If not, then it may indicate the order has not yet been officially accepted.

[FranckF1]

Originally Posted by Draper

I guess the difference can be seen in these 2 images.

The first is build sheet with a handwritten note from the dealer.

The second is fully generated by BMW, which confirms the color has been accepted by BMW. Note: For me, the price appeared as 'Blocked' until the car hit 150 (in production) status.

If your dealer can give you a sheet like the second image, you should be in good shape. If not, then it may indicate the order has not yet been officially accepted.

Thanks, I guess it's ok as it's not handwritten, he sent me the new order to sign it. But it's a bit of both as my first choice (SG = C4W) is manually deleted. So not sure he can do that by himslef. See attachments, you also have the BMW Ind request.

Any idea what is job number ?

[mthreesixty3]

$50k climate tax?

I hope you vote wisely.

These politicians are purely delusional.

[Draper]

Originally Posted by mthreesixty3

$50k climate tax?

I hope you vote wisely.

These politicians are purely delusional.

[MWPcompM3]

Has anyone been able to order FDG as a custom/individual request in the US for a 2023 build?

[FranckF1]

Hi guys,

That's what I feared when reading all this forum and before posting : BMW Individual France really made a mess and granted me the order withour checking with the factory. So FDG is not possible, for anyone.

So back to Skyscraper Grey for me.

[FranckF1]

Originally Posted by MWPcompM3

Has anyone been able to order FDG as a custom/individual request in the US for a 2023 build?

After what happened to me, no more hope. Color is clearly discontinued, I have the mail from the factory to BMW Individual France.

[FranckF1]

Originally Posted by mthreesixty3

$50k climate tax?

I hope you vote wisely.

These politicians are purely delusional.

It is a system since 2008 and it goes worst and worst every year on all big cars / sport cars / super cars. Different governments, no change, and there won't be.

Hope for us is Hybrid sport like the Ferrari SF90 (no tax at all !) as the system is only based on CO2 emissions.

The M3 will clearly be my last 100% combustion engine sport car. The value will be sky high after

At least the market takes it into account, if I have to sell my M3 one day, I will get back a large part of this 50k tax.

['Cane]

Originally Posted by FranckF1

It is a system since 2008 and it goes worst and worst every year on all big cars / sport cars / super cars. Different governments, no change, and there won't be.

Hope for us is Hybrid sport like the Ferrari SF90 (no tax at all !) as the system is only based on CO2 emissions.

The M3 will clearly be my last 100% combustion engine sport car. The value will be sky high after

At least the market takes it into account, if I have to sell my M3 one day, I will get back a large part of this 50k tax.

No need to feed the troll.

[Patsfan1997]

Originally Posted by FranckF1

After what happened to me, no more hope. Color is clearly discontinued, I have the mail from the factory to BMW Individual France.

Well that's unfortunate. I got my hopes up and asked my dealer to check with BMW Individual on this. Now it's back to trying to decide between SSG, DG and BG. I would love to understand what was BMW's thought process behind discontinuing such a nice colour.

[FranckF1]

Originally Posted by 'Cane

No need to feed the troll.

???

See malus scale (with english auto translation) : https://www-largus-fr.translate.goog..._x_tr_pto=wapp