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I prefer a DCT. | 235 | 60.57% | |
I prefer a traditional AT. | 32 | 8.25% | |
Either is fine with me. | 53 | 13.66% | |
I don't care. No manual, no purchase. | 68 | 17.53% | |
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08-07-2020, 12:30 AM | #398 | |
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How do they compare? To what? What car has the same engine with DCT and ZF transmission available? Please stop comparing F80 DCT to a F90 ZF transmission. I don't want a F90 being jerky as my F82. An F90 is a upper class sport sedan. The ZF is currently one of the best if not the best Automatic transmission on the market. When the F90 was in developing the criteria was a totally different from the F8x, so I'm not supriced the transmission is more "soft" as the DCT. The M8C with the same gearbox is sprinting 0-60 in just 2.5 seconds... I mean what do you want more? |
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(And for gods sake do not reply with "those people that think the ZF8 is better shouldnt get the car." Your opinion doesn't matter for those people, because in fact the car does have the ZF8 lol) |
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When searching for another video I skipped through the German version of one of the promo videos. The advantage of the German version is, that the original audio is available. There are a few scenes where you can see and hear the shifts. It seems like the shifts are really fast. Faster than the X3M shifts posted here earlier for sure. Skip to 3:45
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I do agree that upshifts under acceleration seem reasonably good there (comparing sound of rev changes to the motion of the driver's fingers on the upshift paddle). But what it most encouraging to me is that the driver is actually able to use manual mode at all on a track! I have not previously seen a video where this was the case. In many of the ring videos you can clearly hear the transmission downshifting on the exit of corners (suggesting full-auto). A lot of the in-car track footage is from MT cars - and that looks and sounds great, which give me a lot of faith that the engine is going to be fun. ...if only there was some video showing the left hand. |
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08-23-2020, 09:12 AM | #403 |
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The real question is how immediate the response on downshifts will be? Can I bang 3 gears down immediatelly? Will it shift as soon as I click the paddle? If so... no concern but I have not yet driven an auto that was as good as a dct... Porsche even keeps the DCT in a Macan... thats the real head scratcher if the auto is better more comfortable.
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08-23-2020, 01:31 PM | #404 | |
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I guess you will not be able to bang 3 gears down immediately due to the nature of the planetary gears. The DCT basically being two automated manuals will always have the next gear available on the "other" manual transmission shaft and thus having double the time to prepare for the next shift. It will be faster when shifting multiple gears at once no matter if it's up or down (the planertary will only have the next predicted gear available, try shifting up while breaking it will take noticeably longer). On most tracks this won't be an issue though, since braking/coasting zones will usually take much longer than the downshifts. |
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08-23-2020, 02:43 PM | #406 |
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It is the sluggishness of zf8 especially manual mode that frustrates the vast majority here. Not whether the car is fast enough with DCT or ZF8.
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No one is going to get ZF slushbox RWD once AWD is out because people can't drive. It would have been interesting to see take rates of RWD DCT vs ZF8 AWD.
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While it's cool that my M2 sleeps protected away from salt and elements in my garage all winter, I always think about the 69k cad sitting there and me not enjoying it for almost half the year.. If reasoning and budget would not be of concern I would probably already have a 911 GTS AWD. For track duty I don't really care for AWD M4 but for year round enjoyment plus being track capable.. very eager to test drive one !
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Unless you are in a freak use case where you live at the end of a freakishly steep driveway, what limits a car's use in winter has a lot more to do with ground clearance than traction type. |
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Canada is not all the same, where I live in the "Appalachian" It's all hills.. I did live with RWD cars before but I ain't going back for winter use.
As much as I am biased on DCT (better on track) vs ZF8 (better daily) having owned M235xi and M2 afterwards and would love to see another DCT G80/82. I understand the switch for the AWD platform for BMW, they did all the development for the M5 and they are much cheaper than Porsche so it's normal there will be some compromise..
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Does anybody know if the AT transmission in the new G8Xs allows the brake to be let off without automatically engaging first, like in the DCT? Does their AT transmission allow for that or is it a traditional AT setup where the gear is engaged as soon as you're off the brake?
That was one of my favorite features of the DCT, a habit from all my previous MTs that luckily my F82 didn't have to break. |
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Does that Auto-Hold keep the brakes depressed against the rotors? That's one of the things I'm trying to avoid if I'm e.g. running hot brakes on a hot day at the track. Guess it would just be a matter of shifting into neutral at a stop.
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I haven't driven an X5M or X6M for a year or two but if I recall they didn't creep
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10-15-2020, 08:00 AM | #417 |
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I am a former MT fanboy who converted to PDK/DCT manual mode using the SHIFTER.
The 'engagement' I am after is (1) the ability to control shift points and (2) the ability to shift using a shifter. . . I do not miss the clutch and would not purchase PDK/DCT if manual mode required use of paddles. As far as I know, the ZF8 allows for both (1) and (2) . . . so not sure I would notice much of a difference between DCT in my M2C vs ZF8 in G80/82? ///AVM |
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10-15-2020, 08:29 AM | #418 | |
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I fear the G80 shifter will not be as great feeling but will reserve opinion for when I drive one.. I figure you would be sad owning a 992
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