[doug_999]

I had a hard time reading the post after this:
"Fortunately, most of them changed their mind when they saw the car in person."

Is that for real?

[TractionControlDelete]

Originally Posted by PhJ

Hello,
As author of this thread, please find below my reply to your comments :

• As explained in the original thread, there are very few detailed tests data available so far for the G82MT. Having to wait for one year or so to get potentially more test data and perform mean figures as you suggest would cause part of this analysis to be outdated at that time.
  
  
• The reference C/D limited test data you refer to actually confirm the outcome of the current analysis as F82 MT performs better than G82 MT on what C/D calls the 5-to-60 MPH rolling start and F82 MT severely beats G82 MT an all the top gear accelerations. As explained by C/D in https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...ormancetesting , Top-gear acceleration, in a manual-transmission car, where we simply goose the throttle and don't downshift, highlights midrange power. The midrange power of the F82 MT outperforms the one of G82 MT and the higher top power of G82 MT is not enough to catch up with F82 MT in almost every acceleration test.
  
  
• Both acceleration figures for F82 MT and G82 MT used in the thread have been reported by the well established car magazine, Auto Motor und Sport, ensuring the high quality of the data as well as a common test procedure.
  
  
• The acceleration figures reported for G82 MT are optimum as the car was equipped with the expensive M Race track pack providing a weight savings of 25 kg. A G82 MT without this pack would surely deliver less favorable acceleration figures. This is reinforced by the special light weight wheels (included in the pack) with a lower inertia favoring faster accelerations.
  
  
• Nevertheless, the web site Zeperfs.com collects precisely what you are requesting for: they are computing a mean of measured acceleration data stored in a DB and this, for numerous car models. Zeperfs has two to three distinct sets of acceleration data for the G82 MT as well as for the F82 MT. On this site ,you can call for what they name a 'duel' (or head to head) between two cars (or more) and they display a side by side comparison table. Using this tool, you will find out that the comparison table of the mean acceleration figures confirm the superiority of the F82 MT over the G82 MT as shown below:
  
  https://zeperfs.com/en/duel4935-9167.htm
  
  
• Finally, I am not underestimating the weight benefit (13 kg) of CCB on G82. This is the weight benefit claimed by BMW in its video entitled "Brakes. M3 and M4 - explained, Episode 06" at 2 min 05 sec till 2 min 20 sec.
  
  https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...=1795493<br />

Pretty much

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by doug_999

I had a hard time reading the post after this:
"Fortunately, most of them changed their mind when they saw the car in person."

Is that for real?

Well the best thing to convince yourself his statement is true or false is look at the sales numbers of the G8X. They are through the roof and backed up. Considerably higher than previous generations of M3. It’s seems the sales numbers bother some of the haters of this car so they try to justify it with a statement like “Well, people will buy ugly cars if they perform really well.”

[Patton250]

Who in world is F82///M4 on this forum? He likes to private message you and you can’t reply. You can’t even pull up his profile when you look it up. Is this guy a mystery moderator or something? I’ve never seen on any forum I’m apart of you where can’t reply to a PM.

I’m posting this question on this thread because this person PM’d me about this thread

[doug_999]

Originally Posted by Patton250

Well the best thing to convince yourself his statement is true or false is look at the sales numbers of the G8X. They are through the roof and backed up. Considerably higher than previous generations of M3. It’s seems the sales numbers bother some of the haters of this car so they try to justify it with a statement like “Well, people will buy ugly cars if they perform really well.”

Ha, well I do think that people LOVE to trade out cars every 3 years and will stick with their brand. It was VERY difficult for me to decide that the M3 was not the right car for me - because I really really wanted to like it. But I just couldn't do it - so I went over to the dark side and got a manual transmission car with AWD.

And I'm not sure about your sales numbers comment - my dealer tells me they are trickling in - and yes, they sell, but they are not getting too many cars.

[TrentMeister]

Originally Posted by Sublime00

I've said this before, but the base headlight DRLs undoubtedly look better than the hex DRLs.

I think they even help the grill and entire front end look "less in your face" and not quite so busy.

Not gonna lie, I agree.

I think the LCI headlights will be a big improvement.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by doug_999

Ha, well I do think that people LOVE to trade out cars every 3 years and will stick with their brand. It was VERY difficult for me to decide that the M3 was not the right car for me - because I really really wanted to like it. But I just couldn't do it - so I went over to the dark side and got a manual transmission car with AWD.

And I'm not sure about your sales numbers comment - my dealer tells me they are trickling in - and yes, they sell, but they are not getting too many cars.

Well then your dealer should be selling his allocations to other BMW dealers left and right. Every single allocation for all the dealerships I know is already sold. I just traded in my RWD M3 to order an AWD M3 and the one I traded in has already sold. One day. They were selling these things all over the country for well over retail. Many people on this very format paid more than retail. I would suggest your dealer is either lying to you are not very good at sales. Either way every G8X leaving the factory has a home the moment it gets to North America.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by Patton250

Well then your dealer should be selling his allocations to other BMW dealers left and right. Every single allocation for all the dealerships I know is already sold. I just traded in my RWD M3 to order an AWD M3 and the one I traded in has already sold. One day. They were selling these things all over the country for well over retail. Many people on this very format paid more than retail. I would suggest your dealer is either lying to you are not very good at sales. Either way every G8X leaving the factory has a home the moment it gets to North America.

You're not even comprehending what he wrote.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by akkando

You're not even comprehending what he wrote.

And I'm not sure about your sales numbers comment - my dealer tells me they are trickling in - and yes, they sell, but they are not getting too many cars.

Not very difficult to comprehend.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by Patton250

And I'm not sure about your sales numbers comment - my dealer tells me they are trickling in - and yes, they sell, but they are not getting too many cars.

Not very difficult to comprehend.

And your solution for his dealer not getting many cars is for his dealer to sell away their allocations to other dealers.

The small amount of cars the dealer gets they sell, why do they need to sell them to other dealers instead? The "trickle" of g8x they get sell to customers already.

State the problem you are trying to solve and how selling allocations to other dealers solves the problem.

The problem as I understand it is BMW is not making very many cars, there's very little supply. Selling allocations to other dealers doesn't increase the supply of g8x vehicles for sale.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by akkando

And your solution for his dealer not getting many cars is for his dealer to sell away their allocations to other dealers.

The small amount of cars the dealer gets they sell, why do they need to sell them to other dealers instead? The "trickle" of g8x they get sell to customers already.

State the problem you are trying to solve and how selling allocations to other dealers solves the problem.

The problem as I understand it is BMW is not making very many cars, there's very little supply. Selling allocations to other dealers doesn't increase the supply of g8x vehicles for sale.

You’re not comprehending what I wrote.

[Vegetable]

Originally Posted by TrentMeister

Not gonna lie, I agree.

I think the LCI headlights will be a big improvement.

When I saw a M4 with the base DRLs I thought they were broken.

[doug_999]

Originally Posted by Patton250

And I'm not sure about your sales numbers comment - my dealer tells me they are trickling in - and yes, they sell, but they are not getting too many cars.

Not very difficult to comprehend.

and yet, you didn't comprehend ...

Originally Posted by Patton250

You’re not comprehending what I wrote.

We are all very confused by what you have written.

My dealer gets very few G80/G82 cars - and you tell me that they should sell these to other dealers? Why would they do that? The cars are in very short supply - and they sell every one they get - but they should give up their allocations?

strange...

[PhJ]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Put the G82 in the right gear, and it will pull on the F82.

But as I posted previously, the S58 has a higher boost threshold than the S55, so at low RPM, the S55 has the advantage.

I am afraid that your statement "Put the G82 in the right gear, and it will pull on the F82." is not true.

Look at the min. times below, collected on the website Zperfs for a duel between F82 MT and G82 MT : F82 MT accelerates better G82 MT for all the 'optimum' acceleration figures:
40 to 140 min, 80 to 120 min and 80 to 180 min.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by doug_999

and yet, you didn't comprehend ...



We are all very confused by what you have written.

My dealer gets very few G80/G82 cars - and you tell me that they should sell these to other dealers? Why would they do that? The cars are in very short supply - and they sell every one they get - but they should give up their allocations?

strange...

They are absolutely not in short supply. The factory is at full production. There were some stop sales for repairs but that happens all the time. It affected many models. Other than that it’s full speed ahead. And the four dealers in my area have gotten every allocation they were supposed to get.

[stefan]

Good on OP for backing up his analysis. Again though I come back to the fact that the error margins are high enough to trivialize the results and new g8x owner concerns. I can't remember where I read it, but something to the effect that BMW would be refining performance more continually throughout model runs than the good ol' days. So stay tuned.

Might be fair to say the MT in the G8x was developed as a crowd pleasing afterthought though. Wouldn't be surprised if this is the last generation we see it in.

Originally Posted by Patton250

Good thing you don't have to buy one. Why troll? I mean what a tool thing to do especially since it's apparent now your opinion is the extreme minority opinion. It just makes you look juvenile.

it's not a troll. it's called a "different opinion"

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by stefan

Good on OP for backing up his analysis. Again though I come back to the fact that the error margins are high enough to trivialize the results and new g8x owner concerns. I can't remember where I read it, but something to the effect that BMW would be refining performance more continually throughout model runs than the good ol' days. So stay tuned.

Might be fair to say the MT in the G8x was developed as a crowd pleasing afterthought though. Wouldn't be surprised if this is the last generation we see it in.


it's not a troll. it's called a "different opinion"

Perhaps you should scroll back and look at his other comments. It’s trolling. It’s either that or he has zero decorum.

[doug_999]

Originally Posted by Patton250

They are absolutely not in short supply. The factory is at full production. There were some stop sales for repairs but that happens all the time. It affected many models. Other than that it’s full speed ahead. And the four dealers in my area have gotten every allocation they were supposed to get.

I showed it your comment to my dealer and he could not stop laughing.

(he has FOUR cars in stock and normally has around 100)

You might want to go check out a few dealers... There is this crazy thing called a chip supply issue and it is coupled with a pandemic...

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by doug_999

I showed it your comment to my dealer and he could not stop laughing.

(he has FOUR cars in stock and normally has around 100)

You might want to go check out a few dealers... There is this crazy thing called a chip supply issue and it is coupled with a pandemic...

We are talking about M cars here. Not Ford F150s. Good grief. And I don’t believe you showed my comment to your dealer.

[doug_999]

Originally Posted by Patton250

We are talking about M cars here. Not Ford F150s. Good grief. And I don’t believe you showed my comment to your dealer.

I never lie

[TractionControlDelete]

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by doug_999

I never lie

Yeah well if that’s real tell your guy he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. You might wanna have him read this. I’m done here.

https://www.bmwgroup.com/content/dam...ht-2021-EN.pdf