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      08-06-2021, 08:04 AM   #89
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List of times found here. AMG GT Black Series has a ridiculous time, my god
Those are not all Sport Auto times--- I was personally asking for Sport Auto times to keep as many variables static since they do independent testing. But even then, as mentioned, things just change day to day. But these are not times by the manufacturer which I like because it keeps some bias out.
Here's the list of Sport Auto times for BMW:

8:05 E92 M3 6MT (PSC+)
7:52 F82 M4 DCT (PSS)
7:52,36 F87 M2C DCT (???)
7:50 E46 M3CSL SMG (PSC)
7:43 F87 M2CS DCT (PSC2)
7:42 F82 M4CS DCT (PSC2)
7:37 F82 M4GTS DCT (PSC2)
7:35,90 F90 M5C (P Zero)
7:32,79 F92 M8C (P Zero)
7:30,79 G82 M4C (PSC2)
7:29,57 F90 M5CS (P Zero Corsa)

Other notable mentions:

7:46,70 Porsche 718 Cayman S (???)
7:45,19 Mercedes-AMG E 63 S (???)
7:34,00 Porsche 911 Carrera S (991.2) (???)
7:30,41 Porsche 911 Carrera S (992) (Pirelli P Zero NA1)
7:27,48 Ferrari 812 Superfast (P Zero Corsa)
7:23,77 Porsche 911 Carrera GTS (991.2) (???)

I don't see the full car list, except if you want to go to their YouTube channel and grab each cars individual lap time and compile a list.
How about C8 Corvette time of 7:29.9 (less than one second faster)! That G82 time is pretty damn impressive!
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One second faster than a 718 Cayman GT4
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      08-06-2021, 08:09 AM   #91
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BMW M5 CS 7:30
Porsche 911 Carrera S 7:30

BMW M4 Competition 7:31

Porsche Cayman GT4 7:32
BMW M4 GTS 7:37
AMG C63S Coupe 7:44
Audi RS4 Avant 7:59
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      08-06-2021, 08:30 AM   #92
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20 to 15 second difference between old and new M4 comp. GTS is still faster by 2 seconds or 6 depending on which GTS you looking at.
Are you talking about the M4 GTS? It's 7 seconds slower at 7:37
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      08-06-2021, 08:34 AM   #93
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20 to 15 second difference between old and new M4 comp. GTS is still faster by 2 seconds or 6 depending on which GTS you looking at.
Are you talking about the M4 GTS? It's 7 seconds slower at 7:37
M4 gts did it in 7:28

911 gts did it in 7:24.
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      08-06-2021, 08:47 AM   #94
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Very impressive! I also wonder if the driver left the car in auto mode, but I would assume so based upon Randy's comments and my own experience.
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Lap Time - 7:31
Vmax - 285 km/h

HHR
Lap Time - 1:53.7
Vmax - 252 km/h

Acceleration:
0-40: 1,4
0-100: 3,8
0-160: 7,7
0-200: 11,9

Braking:
100-0(Cold): 42,3 m
100-0(Warm): 33,5 m
200-0(Warm): 130,7 m

Power Output: 555 PS / 700 Nm

Weight: 1,702 kg
Weight Distribution (F/R): 52,9 % / 47,1 %

Tires: Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2

Base Price: 91,000 Euro
Price As Tested: 117,060 Euro
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Forgive me if I'm a newbie but how can M4C be faster in a lap than M8C?
OK it's slightly heavier, but it is more powerful by 115cv, has better 0-100, better top speed.
Just asking.
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One second faster than a 718 Cayman GT4
GT4 had a manual...PDK is even faster.
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M4 gts did it in 7:28

911 gts did it in 7:24.
Strictly speaking Sport Auto times, the M4 GTS did 7:37 on cup tires, the 991.2 GTS on cup tires did 7:23, and the 991.2 S on summer P zeros did 7:32. I want to see the 718 GT4 with PDK...(sub 7:24?)
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20 to 15 second difference between old and new M4 comp. GTS is still faster by 2 seconds or 6 depending on which GTS you looking at.
Are you talking about the M4 GTS? It's 7 seconds slower at 7:37
M4 gts did it in 7:28

911 gts did it in 7:24.
Where are you getting the 7:28 time from? We are discussing Sport Auto times done with the same driver. Sport Auto got 7:37 with the M4 GTS
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20 to 15 second difference between old and new M4 comp. GTS is still faster by 2 seconds or 6 depending on which GTS you looking at.
Are you talking about the M4 GTS? It's 7 seconds slower at 7:37
M4 gts did it in 7:28

911 gts did it in 7:24.
Where are you getting the 7:28 time from? We are discussing Sport Auto times done with the same driver. Sport Auto got 7:37 with the M4 GTS
Wikipedia when you google Nurburgring times.
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      08-06-2021, 10:26 AM   #101
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Forgive me if I'm a newbie but how can M4C be faster in a lap than M8C?
OK it's slightly heavier, but it is more powerful by 115cv, has better 0-100, better top speed.
Just asking.
Better tire for the most part.
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Excellent video, clearly showing why this car is one of the best on the market today.
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      08-06-2021, 11:19 AM   #103
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it'll be faster, there is no question about it. N'ring have plenty of slow/medium speed corners where awd will help it shoot out of corners at a much faster pace. Besides, properly tuned AWD will inspire confidence compared to RWD in same conditions so the driver will be more willing to push the car to its limits.
I really think you are 100% wrong here. The AWD M4 will be faster roughly from 0 - 60 km/h. Above that speed the RWD is faster. Just have a look at the video and you will see that very rarely the speed in the lap is below 60 km/h and nearly always far above it. So i fail to see how you can think that the AWD will surely be faster.

There also must be a reason that the coming special versions such as CSL and CS models will be RWD versions and not AWD. AWD is super in the real world but not necessarily on a track.
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I really think you are 100% wrong here. The AWD M4 will be faster roughly from 0 - 60 km/h. Above that speed the RWD is faster. Just have a look at the video and you will see that very rarely the speed in the lap is below 60 km/h and nearly always far above it. So i fail to see how you can think that the AWD will surely be faster.

There also must be a reason that the coming special versions such as CSL and CS models will be RWD versions and not AWD. AWD is super in the real world but not necessarily on a track.
The 2009 480hp / 3850 lbs GTR shocked the auto world with a 7:27 time. Would it have if it was RWD? Doubt it. Food for thought. I’m not sure the 2022 M4 MxDrive with 2021 (12 years) tire advancements will be as fast as the 2009 GTR but I’m for sure not betting against it.
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Better tire for the most part.
I thought all cars were compared with same tyre and same weather conditions, for an "official" ranking.
IMHO any further comparison is quite useless then.
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I thought all cars were compared with same tyre and same weather conditions, for an "official" ranking.
IMHO any further comparison is quite useless then.
A qualified guess it’s the main reason BMW now offer PSC2 as an M3/4 factory tire option…it qualify the PSC2 for use at these tests. I guess the M8 is not seen as a track day car and ring times aren’t a major marketing tool for the M8 segment and they re probably right, more of a GT than track day car.
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      08-06-2021, 12:09 PM   #107
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Oh man those downshifts. They are slow. You can hear the downshifts when the car is already into the corner thats far to late.

As a daily car this gearbox is ok but for track driving it is a piece of junk.
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      08-06-2021, 12:10 PM   #108
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I thought all cars were compared with same tyre and same weather conditions, for an "official" ranking.
IMHO any further comparison is quite useless then.
A qualified guess it's the main reason BMW now offer PSC2 as an M3/4 factory tire option…it qualify the PSC2 for use at these tests. I guess the M8 is not seen as a track day car and ring times aren't a major marketing tool for the M8 segment and they re probably right, more of a GT than track day car.
My theory is that the M8C and M5C with AWD already put the power down much better out of a corner than a RWD car hence there's less need for a sticky tire. It just won't improve the grip DELTA as much as on a RWD platform.
I'm not saying it won't add absolutely any benefit. It might, but when the AWD with solid tire already puts the power down well, a sticker tire makes less of a difference than on a RWD platform.
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      08-06-2021, 12:26 PM   #109
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wow thats pretty fast. should be able to easily get to the grocery store with time to spare now.
You might even have to wait a moment for your Starbucks order to be ready before you can pick it up.
I have been noticing this
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Oh man those downshifts. They are slow. You can hear the downshifts when the car is already into the corner thats far to late.

As a daily car this gearbox is ok but for track driving it is a piece of junk.
Based on the 7:30.79 time, I'd say BMW M made a sufficiently good choice.

Odd that size, weight, ZF8, single-piston sliding caliper rear brakes, etc are still talking points when the actual realized performance is as great as it is. Of course, reviewers and owners have already told you for months that these things don't matter.
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