[Der_Wolf]

List of times found here. AMG GT Black Series has a ridiculous time, my god

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by Der_Wolf

List of times found here. AMG GT Black Series has a ridiculous time, my god

Those are not all Sport Auto times--- I was personally asking for Sport Auto times to keep as many variables static since they do independent testing. But even then, as mentioned, things just change day to day. But these are not times by the manufacturer which I like because it keeps some bias out.

[Der_Wolf]

Originally Posted by Vic55

Those are not all Sport Auto times--- I was personally asking for Sport Auto times to keep as many variables static since they do independent testing. But even then, as mentioned, things just change day to day. But these are not times by the manufacturer which I like because it keeps some bias out.

Makes perfect sense

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by Der_Wolf

Makes perfect sense

Will watching this video void my warranty?

[Der_Wolf]

Originally Posted by Vic55

Will watching this video void my warranty?

It definitely voids your virginity

[barryc365]

Originally Posted by SeanWRT

Interesting. Even Christian Gebhardt drives with DSC half on.

Looks like the track might be a little damp too in sections which maybe explains the traction.

Very impressive either way

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by SeanWRT

Interesting. Even Christian Gebhardt drives with DSC half on.

According to the article, he ran DSC off with traction control at level 5

[CanAutM3]

For those interested in the article:

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/...-nordschleife/

[McLaren720s]

Originally Posted by Vic55

Those are not all Sport Auto times--- I was personally asking for Sport Auto times to keep as many variables static since they do independent testing. But even then, as mentioned, things just change day to day. But these are not times by the manufacturer which I like because it keeps some bias out.

Here's the list of Sport Auto times for BMW:

8:05 E92 M3 6MT (PSC+)
7:52 F82 M4 DCT (PSS)
7:52,36 F87 M2C DCT (???)
7:50 E46 M3CSL SMG (PSC)
7:43 F87 M2CS DCT (PSC2)
7:42 F82 M4CS DCT (PSC2)
7:37 F82 M4GTS DCT (PSC2)
7:35,90 F90 M5C (P Zero)
7:32,79 F92 M8C (P Zero)
7:30,79 G82 M4C (PSC2)
7:29,57 F90 M5CS (P Zero Corsa)

Other notable mentions:

7:46,70 Porsche 718 Cayman S (???)
7:45,19 Mercedes-AMG E 63 S (???)
7:34,00 Porsche 911 Carrera S (991.2) (???)
7:30,41 Porsche 911 Carrera S (992) (Pirelli P Zero NA1)
7:27,48 Ferrari 812 Superfast (P Zero Corsa)
7:23,77 Porsche 911 Carrera GTS (991.2) (???)

I don't see the full car list, except if you want to go to their YouTube channel and grab each cars individual lap time and compile a list.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by McLaren720s

Here's the list of Sport Auto times for BMW:

8:05 E92 M3 6MT (PSC+)
7:52 F82 M4 DCT (PSS)
7:52 F87 M2C DCT (???)
7:50 E46 M3CSL SMG (PSC)
7:43 F87 M2CS DCT (PSC2)
7:42 F82 M4CS DCT (PSC2)
7:37 F82 M4GTS DCT (PSC2)
7:35 F90 M5C (P Zero)
7:32 G15 M8C (P Zero)
7:30 G82 M4C (PSC2)
7:29 F90 M5CS (P Zero Corsa)

I don't see the full car list, except if you want to go to their YouTube channel and grab each cars individual lap time and compile a list.

Small detail, but G82 should read 7:31

[SeanWRT]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

For those interested in the article:

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/...-nordschleife/

Thanks for the link. Here is the google translating:

The BMW M4 has gained weight compared to its predecessor. The fast Nordschleife lap shows that he still drives to the maximum.
Jochen Knecht, Christian Gebhardt August 4th, 2021
Of course, you can still get upset about the overgrown kidney on the face of the BMW M4. Or you can take a deep breath and dedicate yourself to your qualities as a driving dynamics specialist. Because: design is fleeting. It's not performance. And he has plenty of it. This is already evident on the first few meters of everyday life. The competition model of the M4 series, now called G82, makes no secret of the fact that the body and chassis connections are noticeably stiffer. Other modifications that promote driving dynamics: wider track widths (1,617 mm at the front, 1,605 mm at the rear instead of 1,579 / 1,603 mm for the F82-M4), longer wheelbase (2,857 instead of 2,812 mm), wider tires (275 at the front, 285 at the rear instead of 255 at the front and 275 at the rear for the F82 -M4).

BMW M4 Competition Supertest
Achim Hartmann
Meticulous: Before the M4 is allowed to hit the slopes, it is measured. The scales show around 100 kilos more than its predecessor.
The new S58 in-line six-cylinder already tops the most powerful expansion stage of the F82 predecessor unit, the S55B30, at the start of the G82 model with 510 hp. Three-liter in-line six biturbo, water injection, 500 hp - we briefly remember the wing extremists of the previous series called M4 GTS. 60 hp is the performance plus compared to the F82 model of the M4 Competition. There has to be something going on at the Nürburgring too, right? Super tester Christian Gebhardt chose the following set-up for the Nordschleife: engine (sport), chassis (sport), steering (sport), brakes (sport), DSC off, traction control (level 5). The M driving dynamics developers recommend on the Nordschleife not to adjust the standard adaptive dampers in Sport Plus mode, but in Sport mode. And lo and behold: Despite its high weight (a good 100 kilos compared to its predecessor), the Competition scores with agility and driving precision. The self-steering behavior is largely neutral on the ring. It is only when you accelerate out of the way that there is a noticeable power oversteer, which can, however, be reduced through the targeted use of traction control. Wages for Work: A very solid 7: 30.79. This places the BMW just behind the Porsche 911 Carrera S (7:30 minutes).

[McLaren720s]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Small detail, but G82 should read 7:31

Mostly fixed and updated with some other cars as well from their YouTube channel!

[NickyC]

Wow that's great!

[solstice]

“ It is only when you accelerate out of the way that there is a noticeable power oversteer, which can, however, be reduced through the targeted use of traction control.”

So there it is in plain text from the driver himself. This is where the AWD will be quicker. Power oversteer or TC intervention mean that you don’t get all those 510hp moving you forward. The AWD car will instead of sliding the rears or reducing the RW power via TC move some power to the front wheels using all 4 wheels traction area instead of only 2. More acceleration, more of the time.

How much difference? On this particular track? Hard to say.

[SeanWRT]

Originally Posted by solstice

" It is only when you accelerate out of the way that there is a noticeable power oversteer, which can, however, be reduced through the targeted use of traction control."

So there it is in plain text from the driver himself. This is where the AWD will be quicker. Power oversteer or TC intervention mean that you don't get all those 510hp moving you forward. The AWD car will instead of sliding the rears or reducing the RW power via TC move some power to the front wheels using all 4 wheels traction area instead of only 2. More acceleration, more of the time.

How much difference? On this particular track? Hard to say.

Exactly. All about where it can't use all the power.

Below a comparison shows how the M5C performa in 2wd and AWD mode, wet and dry. The M3/4 has less power to handle, but 510 is still a lot for FR configuration.

That being said, 911 4 has never been quicker than 911 2 almost everywhere thanks to its immense traction for its power.

[NISFAN]

Originally Posted by SeanWRT

Exactly. All about where it can't use all the power.

Below a comparison shows how the M5C performa in 2wd and AWD mode, wet and dry. The M3/4 has less power to handle, but 510 is still a lot for FR configuration.

That being said, 911 4 has never been quicker than 911 2 almost everywhere thanks to its immense traction for its power.

That's the same M5 in AWD and RWD modes.

When comparing G82 RWD and G82 AWD, there is a difference in weight, balance, drivetrain loss and purity of steering (that you don't get by simply turning off AWD mode on an M5). I will put money on the G82 AWD being slower round the ring.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by NISFAN

That's the same M5 in AWD and RWD modes.

When comparing G82 RWD and G82 AWD, there is a difference in weight, balance, drivetrain loss and purity of steering (that you don't get by simply turning off AWD mode on an M5). I will put money on the G82 AWD being slower round the ring.

I really hope Sport Auto will feature the AWD version in a supertest as well so we’ll find out.

[SeanWRT]

Originally Posted by NISFAN

That's the same M5 in AWD and RWD modes.

When comparing G82 RWD and G82 AWD, there is a difference in weight, balance, drivetrain loss and purity of steering (that you don't get by simply turning off AWD mode on an M5). I will put money on the G82 AWD being slower round the ring.

Valid point. Although 50kg is not going to make that big of difference even looking at dry comparison. Granted, car varies so does the track.

Interesting…the G8X find the competition/war first from within.

[mirob]

With new information available, I think it's important we look back at the Ring time predictions from some of our in-house track experts.

https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1770307

If you guessed that the thread didn't age well - you'd be right.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by SeanWRT

Valid point. Although 50kg is not going to make that big of difference even looking at dry comparison. Granted, car varies so does the track.

Interesting…the G8X find the competition/war first from within.

In the highly interesting thread by Steve Gill in the UK I think we will soon get data on how the Xdrive does against his M4 GTS on his home track (Knockhill) if I understood him right. That’s probably more relevant for most here to how the Xdrive compares than data from Nordschleife.

[JustChris]

Great time!!

[Sedan_Clan]

Amazing time! Amazing!