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      04-01-2021, 12:29 AM   #23
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The RS5 is a $75k 2021 car with a 4+ year old interior. Shame they couldn't have updated it to align with the RS6 etc. Great comfy cruiser though and super fast from a dig, I expect Audi will lose a lot of customers once the xdrive M3 is available though. I was looking at them but they only really used to offer a better interior and now they don't even do that, so unless you want comfy and quiet there's not much reason to buy it over an M3/4.
From an aesthetic point of view, there is an obvious reason to go for the RS5
Agreed. I'm bailing on the new G8x and going to Audi for DD duties. BMW lost its mind with that design IMO.
I've bought 4 BMW in the past 10 years, currently still have 2. Have seen G8X multiple times in person. Tried REALLY hard to like it since the first spy photos in 2019. I wouldn't buy one even if they made it 6 wheel drive. Just UGLY from every angle.
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Feels strange flying the flag for Audi when we specialise in BMW parts...

Being there on the day, the M4 is in another league dynamically. I can say that as the chap that owns the RS 5.

To be honest, I was pleasantly surprised with the drag race as the M4 does feel an extra 60-80bhp more powerful. By the end of the day and the final race, the M4 was putting its power down and still didn't catch.
The AWD M4 will change this, no doubt.

On the track, I don't feel it was a fair comparison. Our RS 5 is a 40k mile car that we've just picked up from a dealer - needs a proper service (pads, brake fluid) and new tyres (we do have some shocking tyres on the RS at the moment, awaiting the arrival of some new shoes). The M4 had just passed its 1,500 run in, so was in prime condition. Thats not to say the RS will beat the M4, but I do think it would have held its own a bit more.

Either way, the new G80 chassis is an incredible bit of kit. I'm personally am not a massive fan of the front end, but luckily I'm in the business of improving styling. The performance is next level.
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The RS5 is a $75k 2021 car with a 4+ year old interior. Shame they couldn't have updated it to align with the RS6 etc. Great comfy cruiser though and super fast from a dig, I expect Audi will lose a lot of customers once the xdrive M3 is available though. I was looking at them but they only really used to offer a better interior and now they don't even do that, so unless you want comfy and quiet there's not much reason to buy it over an M3/4.
I agree, we'll take what little they have lol.

The relative sales numbers in the NYC area have never been close. Maybe a couple times a month I see an Rs5 of any generation. The M3/M4 is a very common car on the road and has a great culture of enthusiasts.
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Feels strange flying the flag for Audi when we specialise in BMW parts...

Being there on the day, the M4 is in another league dynamically. I can say that as the chap that owns the RS 5.

To be honest, I was pleasantly surprised with the drag race as the M4 does feel an extra 60-80bhp more powerful. By the end of the day and the final race, the M4 was putting its power down and still didn't catch.
The AWD M4 will change this, no doubt.
Was that 1/4 mile race or shorter distance?
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This is a fairly informal test. In all fairness, the vehicle used is also not a facelifted RS5 by all means. I suspect the interior is facelifted.

With that said, Audi RS's will always be straight line cruisers. BMW M has a different ethos altogether.
Just a slightly bigger touchscreen now. The iPad in a dash look just ages a car for me as it's been the default for the last 10 years. Still no doubt a lovely place to be.

Looking forward to the xdrive vs Quattro drag runs this summer though, not that M cars have ever needed to compete, but still gonna be fun to watch them lose nonetheless
Audi hasn't actually redesigned the A4 in 13 years. They just keep going to LCI route. Laziness.
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Obviously the new gen M will win in performance overall. Audi has different goals with their cars which is a great road car that's also good on the track. The RS5 is a great DD that's fun when you push it and relaxed when you don't. To be fair, most people buying cars like these aren't going to track them and the ones that do it's maybe once a year. Not a ton of hardcore track drivers. BMWs are generally edgier and focus on track performance, but sacrifice comfort. Depends on what you want and both are great cars. I love both Audi and BMW. Personally I think the RS5 way better looking and I prefer the interior. The BMW will be more fun to drive and less comfortable as usual in these comparisons.
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i tested the RS5 multiple times in my shopping process.... i think folks would be surprised how stiff the ride can get with the optional DRC dampers. Obviously the main selling point is the daily livability esp in Sportback form, but imo at fairly similar prices where I am, the value proposition is not even close...

I found the exhaust sound to be quite good on the Audi as a sidenote. Audi been doing the fake DCT like farts on upshifts and pronounced burbles on overruns, which does help mask the lack of drama of the ZF8A otherwise.
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The RS5 is a $75k 2021 car with a 4+ year old interior. Shame they couldn't have updated it to align with the RS6 etc. Great comfy cruiser though and super fast from a dig, I expect Audi will lose a lot of customers once the xdrive M3 is available though. I was looking at them but they only really used to offer a better interior and now they don't even do that, so unless you want comfy and quiet there's not much reason to buy it over an M3/4.
I prefer Audi interiors...by a lot, actually. I don't think the RS5 interior looks dated at all, I prefer it to the newer and older BMW interiors.

I own an F82 M4 and an Audi S3...The S3 has a nicer interior. Obviously, this is just my opinion, but I think BMW interiors are kind of 'meh'.
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This is a fairly informal test. In all fairness, the vehicle used is also not a facelifted RS5 by all means. I suspect the interior is facelifted.

With that said, Audi RS's will always be straight line cruisers. BMW M has a different ethos altogether.
Just a slightly bigger touchscreen now. The iPad in a dash look just ages a car for me as it's been the default for the last 10 years. Still no doubt a lovely place to be.

Looking forward to the xdrive vs Quattro drag runs this summer though, not that M cars have ever needed to compete, but still gonna be fun to watch them lose nonetheless
Audi hasn't actually redesigned the A4 in 13 years. They just keep going to LCI route. Laziness.
Yep. So glad BMW decided to go for something completely new, instead of just rehashing the same generic look. It's no wonder so many people who dislike the G8X are going to Porsche and Audi; they don't like change - though I also do understand the new design is just too much for a lot and they genuinely dislike it, which is fair enough; it's why other options sell after all.
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The RS5 is a $75k 2021 car with a 4+ year old interior. Shame they couldn't have updated it to align with the RS6 etc. Great comfy cruiser though and super fast from a dig, I expect Audi will lose a lot of customers once the xdrive M3 is available though. I was looking at them but they only really used to offer a better interior and now they don't even do that, so unless you want comfy and quiet there's not much reason to buy it over an M3/4.
I prefer Audi interiors...by a lot, actually. I don't think the RS5 interior looks dated at all, I prefer it to the newer and older BMW interiors.

I own an F82 M4 and an Audi S3...The S3 has a nicer interior. Obviously, this is just my opinion, but I think BMW interiors are kind of 'meh'.
I had an S3 too, the F8x interior was a major factor I didn't want one and is often the major negative of any review when compared to Audi, but the G8X interior is superior to the B9, though it is several years old so not surprising.
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I had an S3 too, the F8x interior was a major factor I didn't want one and is often the major negative of any review when compared to Audi, but the G8X interior is superior to the B9, though it is several years old so not surprising.
I LOVE my M4, don't get me wrong. But I bought it because it was by far the best performing car amongst its peers, not because it had the best interior. :-) I don't think it's BAD, per se, just not all that nice for a car that expensive.
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I had an S3 too, the F8x interior was a major factor I didn't want one and is often the major negative of any review when compared to Audi, but the G8X interior is superior to the B9, though it is several years old so not surprising.
I LOVE my M4, don't get me wrong. But I bought it because it was by far the best performing car amongst its peers, not because it had the best interior. :-) I don't think it's BAD, per se, just not all that nice for a car that expensive.
Oh for sure! I doubt anyone when shopping the F8X or the B9 used the interior as the deciding factor, both very different cars with the DCT etc of the F8x making the experience so different. With the G8X softening up a bit and upgrading the interior I think people will cross-shop them even closer now, and the G80 wins with the extended leather box ticked. Carwow go over it and it's still very close, Audi has always crushed their interior for materials and fit & finish! (Mercedes are by far the worse - SO MANY SQUEAKS!)

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Oh for sure! I doubt anyone when shopping the F8X or the B9 used the interior as the deciding factor, both very different cars with the DCT etc of the F8x making the experience so different. With the G8X softening up a bit and upgrading the interior I think people will cross-shop them even closer now, and the G80 wins with the extended leather box ticked. Carwow go over it and it's still very close, Audi has always crushed their interior for materials and fit & finish! (Mercedes are by far the worse - SO MANY SQUEAKS!)

I will say, I HATE touchscreens in cars. Audi is getting rid of their scrollwheels, and going to touch only...UGH. I really appreciate the fact that while BMW is adding touchscreens, they are still keeping the scrollwheel. I don't understand why Audi chose to eliminate them and forcing you to use the touchscreen. I hate trying to use a touchscreen while driving.
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Audi has kind of painted themselves in a corner with their big grille. There's really nowhere else to take the look and their new models look overly familiar to the old ones where you have to pay attention to fine details to distinguish a 7 year old Audi from a brand new one. I still think the RS4 above is pleasing to the eye but more in a familiar way than something new and fresh and as said above their interiors used to be the main selling point but half of their products have the outdated interior and the other half has the new dual LCD screens in the console that look okay but doesn't stand out like Audi interiors of the 2000 decade.

Audi's are well rounded vehicles but I find they lack the fun factor of their rivals. They are like the German Subaru in that they sell safe handling AWD vehicles that aren't going to get you into trouble but the built-in understeer won't get your pulse racing. Also has Audi ever made a truly reliable vehicle? I realize you don't buy German if you are looking for top reliability but BMW has made some pretty reliable vehicles of late and Audi has always had that pattern of falling apart after the warranty.
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I prefer Audi interiors...by a lot, actually. I don't think the RS5 interior looks dated at all, I prefer it to the newer and older BMW interiors.

I own an F82 M4 and an Audi S3...The S3 has a nicer interior. Obviously, this is just my opinion, but I think BMW interiors are kind of 'meh'.
Any work done to your S3? They seem pretty quick with a tune and some bolt ons
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Slightly annoying he didn’t do a rolling race.
Roll race would be impossible due to the short track length mentioned below.

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Was that 1/4 mile race or shorter distance?
I believe they mentioned this in their M4 vs M440i video but the drag race is 300 meters or so - about 100 m short of a 1/4 mile.
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I believe they mentioned this in their M4 vs M440i video but the drag race is 300 meters or so - about 100 m short of a 1/4 mile.
Thanks for the replay

I think that in better conditions and full 400 m race, the outcome would be very very close!
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I think that in better conditions and full 400 m race, the outcome would be very very close!
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I drove both of these cars recently and would go with RS5.

'21 RS5 has an updated interior that feels higher quality and the infotainment system is so much better than the Idrive 7? version in the g80. The g80 interior really is a let down from an ergonomics point of view. The button layout makes little sense, that version of idrive isn't intuitive like previous versions were, and haptic buttons near console have a vague feedback that leaves you checking the screen to confirm the change.

I also found the RS5 to have a better ride on normal roads. The G80 isn't awful but it introduces a lot of vertical motion to the passengers. I know a lot of people will find the suspension on the g80 to be perfectly fine but IMO it's overly stiff for normal roads. It's clear they've made a compromise for lap times here. I found the RS5 and it's additional compliance to be much nicer to live with where these cars will be used 99% of the time.

I think the exhaust sound is about the same. I'd be happy with either one.

G80 comp definitely has the edge in roll on power but the gearbox feels lazier than the RS5 at high rpm full throttle shifts. Shifts under 5000rpm it feels great.

Rs5 obviously looks better than the g80 but I actually still like the g80 looks enough to buy one. Sat next to an f80 CS overall I liked the g80 more. It makes a statement the f80 can't despite the odd grills & front end (much better in person than photos).

Where G80 has real advantage is on price and standard build/ options. I would be perfectly happy with a base G80 comp for ~73k MSRP. Audi charges a ton of $ for options that are standard or must adds on the RS5. My minimum build was $82k and that didn't even include $1500 navigation the dealer wanted me to spec. Audi wtf are you doing charging $1500 for navigation in 2021?!?!

Despite being older and significant more expensive I would still go for the RS5 it just feels more special and cohesive than the G80 comp IMO. I think in time the G80 comp AWD face lifted model will fix some of the issues I found but the current car isn't there yet.
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No, just some window tint and a rear spoiler, haha.

I'm not really into the modding thing. I don't want to void my warranty, and tuning an engine just seems like asking for trouble, to me anyway. It's already pretty damn fast, do I really need it to be faster? Plus I have my M4 for that!
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