[GOLFFRR]

wow how cool is that!! thanks for posting

[BMWsince2005]

Put it on autogespot....will be the first

[TractionControlDelete]

I think some context is important here when comparing the new car to the original one. While I can completely understand wanting the 2023 version of the 3.0 CSL to look more like the 2015 concept car, I can also see why a car that is essentially a modified M4 makes sense. In looking at the original namesake it’s very apparent that there is a strong link with the base E9 platform. As such, I can see why BMW may have seen the modded M4 as being more inline with the heritage of the 3.0 rather than by using a one-off coach design. Perhaps enthusiasts at the time would’ve thought the 3.0 CSL was just some paint, a horsepower bump, and some tacked on bodywork too?

In fact, the brand wasn’t particularly loved at the time. Here’s a quote from an article discussing the perception of BMW and its cars at the time:

“It was well that BMW was not looking for mass-market appeal, because the Neue Klasse‘s virtues were not immediately obvious to less-enthusiastic drivers. True, an 1800ti performed as well as some workaday American V8 sedans, but $3,500-odd (U.S. POE) was still a lot of money for a stubby-looking compact car with an austere interior, a rather stiff ride, and little of what most non-German buyers would consider luxury.”

The full article is a very good read and gives some perspective and insight on the 3.0 CSL: https://ateupwithmotor.com/model-his...-e9-cs-coupes/

[nathanm4]

That's a spaceship!

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by dezzracer

“…Regarding price you would be surprised how many on this forum could afford to buy one. But for most it would be a stupid frivolous purchase. They would rather leave to their kids.”

I’d rather spend it… 💨

Not spoiling my kids like that

They can make their own fortune

[element56]

so cool to see them out and about.

[X7 Recruit]

Originally Posted by Northstar1

Crans-Montana seems to be an alternative universe for car lovers: CSL, Ferrari 296 & 812(?), 1970´s Fiat 500, "The Saint" Volvo 1800, L-R Defender with right accessories, 911....

Actually, that's pretty much all of Switzerland. These cars were there for a car show.

Originally Posted by TractionControlDelete

I think some context is important here when comparing the new car to the original one. While I can completely understand wanting the 2023 version of the 3.0 CSL to look more like the 2015 concept car, I can also see why a car that is essentially a modified M4 makes sense. In looking at the original namesake it’s very apparent that there is a strong link with the base E9 platform. As such, I can see why BMW may have seen the modded M4 as being more inline with the heritage of the 3.0 rather than by using a one-off coach design. Perhaps enthusiasts at the time would’ve thought the 3.0 CSL was just some paint, a horsepower bump, and some tacked on bodywork too?

Fair points. But...keep in mind we're discussing a car from 50 years ago when the industry and the car buying public were more than a little conservative. Back in the day, the front and rear body work on the CSL (or the 911RS, or the Plymouth Superbird) was truly revolutionary and a massive departure from the base car. Nothing revolutionary about this car - I for one would actually prefer a horsepower bump, weight drop and some tacked on body work (934 RSR anyone?) - as long as I could actually buy the thing.

[advantage20]

Originally Posted by TractionControlDelete

I think some context is important here when comparing the new car to the original one. While I can completely understand wanting the 2023 version of the 3.0 CSL to look more like the 2015 concept car, I can also see why a car that is essentially a modified M4 makes sense. In looking at the original namesake it’s very apparent that there is a strong link with the base E9 platform. As such, I can see why BMW may have seen the modded M4 as being more inline with the heritage of the 3.0 rather than by using a one-off coach design. Perhaps enthusiasts at the time would’ve thought the 3.0 CSL was just some paint, a horsepower bump, and some tacked on bodywork too?

In fact, the brand wasn’t particularly loved at the time. Here’s a quote from an article discussing the perception of BMW and its cars at the time:

“It was well that BMW was not looking for mass-market appeal, because the Neue Klasse‘s virtues were not immediately obvious to less-enthusiastic drivers. True, an 1800ti performed as well as some workaday American V8 sedans, but $3,500-odd (U.S. POE) was still a lot of money for a stubby-looking compact car with an austere interior, a rather stiff ride, and little of what most non-German buyers would consider luxury.”

The full article is a very good read and gives some perspective and insight on the 3.0 CSL: https://ateupwithmotor.com/model-his...-e9-cs-coupes/

Why not, but then they should have clearly sticked to the M4's original design language, with just a few aero tweaks here and there allowed by the carbon fiber body and a bespoke set of wheels making it unique. What they did instead is take an M4 CSL and force-feed into it as many design elements as possible from the 2015 3.0 CSL Concept, which speaks an utterly and completely different design language altogether -- ultimately both ruining the M4's own personality and making a ridiculous impression of the 2015 concept that's more akin to a homemade cardboard replica. This can't possibly have been signed off by a proud design team and has likely been pushed by a $$-eyed boardroom.

[DRLane]

Originally Posted by advantage20

Why not, but then they should have clearly sticked to the M4's original design language, with just a few aero tweaks here and there allowed by the carbon fiber body and a bespoke set of wheels making it unique. What they did instead is take an M4 CSL and force-feed into it as many design elements as possible from the 2015 3.0 CSL Concept, which speaks an utterly and completely different design language altogether — ultimately both ruining the M4's own personality and making a ridiculous impression of the 2015 concept that's more akin to a homemade cardboard replica. This can't possibly have been signed off by a proud design team and has likely been pushed by a $$-eyed boardroom.

Agreed - I wish this forum would raise their standards and or expectations.

Alternatively, if this does meet your expectations for a OEM dream build then the consumer division of BMW has moved on from soliciting my attention or dollars.

[unfoundnemo]

Originally Posted by Northstar1

Crans-Montana seems to be an alternative universe for car lovers: CSL, Ferrari 296 & 812(?), 1970´s Fiat 500, "The Saint" Volvo 1800, L-R Defender with right accessories, 911....

yup, I could go for any car on that street.

[jri_21]

I don’t know about most here, but, I think that’s too beautiful a car for BMW to mess it up with such a shitty paint job!
But…what do I know?!?!?! 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️

[techwhiz1]

As they say, "wealth has its privileges".

I wouldn't be buying this. I can think of at least 3 baller cars that I could buy with that much money.

[NotSharocks]

This is some very expensive rice.

[FrozenGT]

You guys need to realize some thing for the people who want to be negative. This is that persons probably 10th car if you can afford to purchase this car this is not your only car in your garage. Keep that in mind people who bought this wanted something very special. Why can’t you just appreciate for what it is instead of trying to justify how it’s not.

[DRLane]

Originally Posted by FrozenGT

You guys need to realize some thing for the people who want to be negative. This is that persons probably 10th car if you can afford to purchase this car this is not your only car in your garage. Keep that in mind people who bought this wanted something very special. Why can’t you just appreciate for what it is instead of trying to justify how it’s not.

Because BMW marketed it as “special” and reduced the production doesn’t make “special”. That’s the point.

Whether it’s their only or 500th car, they bought on hype and exclusivity for the sake of exclusivity.

[advantage20]

[Skyscraper]

The back half of the car looks good. The boxed fenders and spoiler are a good looking design.
The front is fine. Not that much different. It would look better without the giant euro license plate mount.
The hood/fender design is beyond terrible.
And way too many stripes. I would be embarrassed driving it.

[KoenG]

Originally Posted by jri_21

I don’t know about most here, but, I think that’s too beautiful a car for BMW to mess it up with such a shitty paint job!
But…what do I know?!?!?! 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️

LOL, in here autobild reveals that much of the exclusivity and related costs is exactly due to the paintjob. It has no decal/stickers but it's all manual paintjob taking hours and hours of extra pure manual craftmanship.

https://www.autobild.de/artikel/bmw-...-21670017.html

Also for the ones stating that you should drive it: every 30k miles you need to swap the transmission since although the torque is reduced to 550Nm like for the manual M4, it can't cope with the 560hp.

https://www.autobild.de/artikel/bmw-...-22544175.html

[rfranklin]

Looks like a Mk4 Supra and current-gen Honda Accord had an ugly baby out of wedlock. Another strike-out on aesthetics, IMO.

[jri_21]

Originally Posted by KoenG

LOL, in here autobild reveals that much of the exclusivity and related costs is exactly due to the paintjob. It has no decal/stickers but it's all manual paintjob taking hours and hours of extra pure manual craftmanship.

https://www.autobild.de/artikel/bmw-...-21670017.html

Also for the ones stating that you should drive it: every 30k miles you need to swap the transmission since although the torque is reduced to 550Nm like for the manual M4, it can't cope with the 560hp.

https://www.autobild.de/artikel/bmw-...-22544175.html

Well…In my book, exclusive does not make it beautiful. It makes it unique.
So, they paid $800K for a very unique, shitty AND fugly paintjob on a very beautiful car.
C’est la vie!!! 🤷🏻‍♂️

[KoenG]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

I’d rather spend it… 💨

Not spoiling my kids like that

They can make their own fortune

OK, but would you spend 800k$ on this car? Supposing you'd say yes, would you see it as an object for practical use, or an investment?

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by KoenG

OK, but would you spend 800k$ on this car?
Supposing you'd say yes, would you see it as an object for practical use, or an investment?

Not a chance ❕

Great question by the way…

I’d rather invest it in real estate to be completely transparent